Too much trust is placed upon a signature

psteng19

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How can a measly signature on a document (check, contract, affidavit, bill) prove that you are the one that signed it.
Signatures can easily be forged, and often go unchecked.

I can't even sign a signature consistently.
It changes from one document to another.

We need better forms of identification/verification.
Just my opinion.
 

deftron

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They have Notarized Signatures for very important things.


Short of requiring a DNA sample.. that's about the best they can do


 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
If it can easily be forged, then how is it you can't sign yours consistently?

That's why they can be forged.
 

Mallow

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My handwriting is so messy I'm banking on the fact no one could forge it :p
 

RossMAN

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That's why DOT (Deed of Trust, the title to your home) is notarized.
 

TommyVercetti

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Here is a funny story.

My uncle got tird of writing too many checks and told his wife to write and even forge his signature. This went for 6 months. One day, my uncle signed a check. The bank called him when they recieved the check, saying that someone is forging your signature!! That was the real signature, the bank was used to the wifes signature!!
 

PoPPeR

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I can't sign mine consistantly either. I can't think of an easier way though... so until then...
 
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Originally posted by: psteng19
How can a measly signature on a document (check, contract, affidavit, bill) prove that you are the one that signed it.
Signatures can easily be forged, and often go unchecked.

I can't even sign a signature consistently.
It changes from one document to another.

We need better forms of identification/verification.
Just my opinion.

Do you have a better suggestion?
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Handwriting analysis can pick out two peoples' handwriting with pretty much 100% accuracy. No, you don't sign exactly the same way every time, but the style of your writing has characteristics that never change.
 

psteng19

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Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Handwriting analysis can pick out two peoples' handwriting with pretty much 100% accuracy. No, you don't sign exactly the same way every time, but the style of your writing has characteristics that never change.

How readily available is this analysis?
Not much I assume.

I can't come up with a better solution, but all I can say is that the signature system is not secure at all.
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Originally posted by: psteng19
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Handwriting analysis can pick out two peoples' handwriting with pretty much 100% accuracy. No, you don't sign exactly the same way every time, but the style of your writing has characteristics that never change.

How readily available is this analysis?
Not much I assume.
I couldn't tell ya. I doubt it's used for anything but major cases.

I can't come up with a better solution, but all I can say is that the signature system is not secure at all.
Yeah, agreed. Then again, it's pretty damn tough to theft-proof anything. The best defense is being prepared for it (i.e. credit card companies - lose your card? you can call them up, they'll issue you a new card right away, no harm done)
 

StageLeft

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Signatures are crap. Plenty of people with only a few min practice can mimic a person's signature such that only a real professional would be able to tell the difference. They are antiquated garbage.

Soon enough we'll use biometrics, which are far better: Fingerprints, eye scan, voice recognition. I would have no problem using any of these on a daily basis in place of a signature. Thumbprint, for instance, could be even quicker than signing one's name.
 

Walleye

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the signature is never checked till you say something about it. other than just random sampling of incoming checks and such. signatures are the best at the moment. i think, at SOME point, we may have places for thumb prints on major contracts. maybe. wouldnt that be funny :p
 

everman

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Retinal scans for in person transactions could work well, easier than a finger print. Or maybe a chip embedded inside your hand.
 

Tetsuo

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i think retinal scans would be the best, signatures can be forged and fingerprints burned off, but you dont see people with eyes hanging at their waists ;)
 

cmv

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The whole point is that when there is a problem the handwriting can be analyzed! Analyzing every single signature is a waste of time. A member of my family is in law enforcement and they recently had a case where one sister was writing checks on another sisters account. With the hand writing sample they could figure out what was going on.

Signatures are just fine. How far do you want to go and at what cost? There are many things in society that criminals can take advantage of that we choose to be lax to ease our daily lifes. It is all a trade off.
 

GroundZero

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
If it can easily be forged, then how is it you can't sign yours consistently?

because he's a dumbass that can't wite for shite.
i contend that if you are so stupid that you can't sign your own name consistantly, well then you deserve to get forged because you
probablly did something stupid, like leaving your checkbook on the dash of you unlocked car....

 

hdeck

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you have no better idea? then stop waste time criticizing the best method they have.