Too many TSBs on my car

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NutBucket
But what about denying warranty claims Zen?

TSB != Warranty. You pay to repair a TSB.

And it's not like they're goint to write down his VIN, list the specific mods, and send it in to some big Honda Corporate database. If he has warranty work later and this dealership has given him trouble, then he can just go to another one. Besides, if these things are, in fact, things that void the warranty according to the way it is worded, then masking them later on is fraud and I don't have any sympathy. I'm not saying that he shouldn't modify his car, but anyone knows that with modifications, you're taking your chances with the warranty and he should accept that he may be voiding certain parts of it.

ZV

If your vehicle is under factory warranty (the bumper to bumper one, most times 3yr/36k miles, and there is a TSB issued and the defect can be demonstrated to the service dept, they HAVE to fix it free.

This is true for Jeep, Nissan and Honda, as we have all 3 and had TSB's done free under the full coverage warranty. Now if it is after that warranty, they will still fix it, but for the normal cost of parts and labor.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NutBucket
But what about denying warranty claims Zen?

TSB != Warranty. You pay to repair a TSB.

And it's not like they're goint to write down his VIN, list the specific mods, and send it in to some big Honda Corporate database. If he has warranty work later and this dealership has given him trouble, then he can just go to another one. Besides, if these things are, in fact, things that void the warranty according to the way it is worded, then masking them later on is fraud and I don't have any sympathy. I'm not saying that he shouldn't modify his car, but anyone knows that with modifications, you're taking your chances with the warranty and he should accept that he may be voiding certain parts of it.

ZV

If your vehicle is under factory warranty (the bumper to bumper one, most times 3yr/36k miles, and there is a TSB issued and the defect can be demonstrated to the service dept, they HAVE to fix it free.

This is true for Jeep, Nissan and Honda, as we have all 3 and had TSB's done free under the full coverage warranty. Now if it is after that warranty, they will still fix it, but for the normal cost of parts and labor.

Please read the entire thread. If I may quote my own later posts which clarify my position:

...the TSB is not itself a warranty. If there is a TSB on an item that is not covered by the warranty, you pay. If a TSB happens to fall under the umbrella of the original warranty then it is, of course, covered. But no TSB is covered if the item is not under the original warranty or if the car is out of warranty. And no TSB is covered unless there is a failure that would cause it to fall under warranty.

If the parts have not failed, then the TSB does not entitle the owner to a free replacement of the non-failed parts. The TSB, in and of itself, does not constitute a separate warranty, nor does it constitute a recall in which non-failed parts will be replaced without charge.

ZV

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NutBucket
But what about denying warranty claims Zen?

TSB != Warranty. You pay to repair a TSB.

ZV

i've never had to pay for a TSB on my car. in fact, if they told me to, i'd sue them. its a defect in the product, pure and simple.

It depends. A lot of items with a TSB will be covered if you're under warranty, but otherwise you WILL pay for them. Almost nobody (I was one of the lucky ones!) has been able to get their ignition coils replaced on their 00 maximas once the car left its 36,000 warranty. I bitched and got it, but most people - even though there is a TSB - are not so lucky once the car is out of 36,000.

A Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) is for service repair fixes that affect a limited number of vehicles under certain conditions that most likely will happen while under warranty but do not pose a safety concern. Recalls on the other had are for safety and emission concerns that effect every vehicle in a given population.

If a vehicle experiences the TSB related concern outside of based warranty it would be the owner responsibility to pay for the repair. Some dealer will work with loyal customer to get after warranty assistance to repair a vehicle under a TSB, but the factory is not obligated to pay for the repair.

As for suing the manufacture for a TSB related repair, it has been done many times before and very few people have succeeded.

 

[DougK62]

I'd like to chime in and add that TSBs aren't always because of "defects" in the car. A lot of them are updated specifications, procedure changes, etc. that won't effect your car directly.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I'd like to chime in and add that TSBs aren't always because of "defects" in the car. A lot of them are updated specifications, procedure changes, etc. that won't effect your car directly.

Excellent point!

 

[m2kewl]

at least you didn't get a cavalier like one of my friends...her 02 cavalier has THIS many tsb 😀 woohoo! 😛

 

[RagingBITCH]

Quixfire just laid it down. I see no one is arguing with him 🙂

 

What the hell is wrong with you people ?

If quix didn't beat me to the punch, I would have beaten down all the people in this thread that stated that TSB's are covered under warranty.

(Yes I am in a bitchy mood now, I had a gas tank fall on me about an hour ago because the Grand Caravan I'm working on has rusted gas tank straps, POS)

Ah screw it, I'm going home early today, it's Friday, let the other dimwits in the shop finish the vehicles.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Roger
What the hell is wrong with you people ?

If quix didn't beat me to the punch, I would have beaten down all the people in this thread that stated that TSB's are covered under warranty.

(Yes I am in a bitchy mood now, I had a gas tank fall on me about an hour ago because the Grand Caravan I'm working on has rusted gas tank straps, POS)

Ah screw it, I'm going home early today, it's Friday, let the other dimwits in the shop finish the vehicles.

gas tank?...blah. my friend's chevy shop drops 'em straight off the lifts! no questions asked...bunch of maroons!

take off roger, you deserve the rest! :beer:

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
at least you didn't get a cavalier like one of my friends...her 02 cavalier has THIS many tsb 😀 woohoo! 😛

That actually doesn't look like very many. A lot of vehicles have MANY more than that.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: m2kewl
at least you didn't get a cavalier like one of my friends...her 02 cavalier has THIS many tsb 😀 woohoo! 😛

That actually doesn't look like very many. A lot of vehicles have MANY more than that.

The J-Body has been the same since '95. A 7 year old car shouldn't have nearly that many kinks in it.

00-00-89-008A MAY 01 Vehicle - Precautions When Towing

I find it funny someone wants to tow in a Cavalier 🙂

 

[OS]

The car has 17k miles on it, honda warranty is 36 months/36K miles. I took the car to the dealer already they are looking at it now.

It should still be under warranty but the guy at the dealership said brakes are only covered 12 months/12k? I was annoyed at first, but I'm just gonna take a wait and see approach. I can't seem to find that same provision in my warranty book.

If the brake pads are gone I can accept that I just drive a lot, but rotors are supposed to last many years. My last accord still had original rotors at 150k miles.

 

[RagingBITCH]

James - if they give you hell just push the issue. V6p - I think some guy said even at 18K when his rotors warped it was fixed under warranty. They know there's problems with the brakes - it really should be a recall as opposed to a TSB - it's happened to so many people.

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: Roger
What the hell is wrong with you people ?

If quix didn't beat me to the punch, I would have beaten down all the people in this thread that stated that TSB's are covered under warranty.

(Yes I am in a bitchy mood now, I had a gas tank fall on me about an hour ago because the Grand Caravan I'm working on has rusted gas tank straps, POS)

Ah screw it, I'm going home early today, it's Friday, let the other dimwits in the shop finish the vehicles.

Come over and take your frustation on on this beauty. I need to remove the cowl to repair a water leak. All I can say is pine needles suck :|

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
James - if they give you hell just push the issue. V6p - I think some guy said even at 18K when his rotors warped it was fixed under warranty. They know there's problems with the brakes - it really should be a recall as opposed to a TSB - it's happened to so many people.

Yeah, I'll take it as far as I need to, the whole situation is just a hassle. It's just like you said, it's such a common problem it should be fixed.

 

Come over and take your frustation on on this beauty. I need to remove the cowl to repair a water leak. All I can say is pine needles suck

I do not like Fords in the least bit, but that is one nice piece of Detroit iron there buddy 🙂

 

[OS]

So I got a call. The pads are all gone on my car and the rotors need to be resurfaced but the manager there can't authorize a warranty repair. They have to call the district manager and try to get approval and I won't know for another couple days. They want 166 to replace the pads and turn the rotors otherwise. What a pain.

 

[Davegod75]

nice site for listings some TSB"s there...honda one's are hard to find

 

[KEV1N]

Originally posted by: OS
So I got a call. The pads are all gone on my car and the rotors need to be resurfaced but the manager there can't authorize a warranty repair. They have to call the district manager and try to get approval and I won't know for another couple days. They want 166 to replace the pads and turn the rotors otherwise. What a pain.

Time for Brembo blanks and some better pads! 🙂 Good luck with getting it covered... almost everyone I know with a 2003 Accord has gone in to get the new formula pads and rotor resurfacing. It was always covered (most of them are below 20k miles). If your dealer denies you, go to a different dealer.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Roger
What the hell is wrong with you people ?

If quix didn't beat me to the punch, I would have beaten down all the people in this thread that stated that TSB's are covered under warranty.

(Yes I am in a bitchy mood now, I had a gas tank fall on me about an hour ago because the Grand Caravan I'm working on has rusted gas tank straps, POS)

Ah screw it, I'm going home early today, it's Friday, let the other dimwits in the shop finish the vehicles.

if you're under warranty and they replace stuff then they'll most likely cover that under warranty. i don't know how you can dispute that. if you're not affectd you're not affected. if you are affected and your car is still under warranty it better be covered under the f-ing warranty or there will be hell to pay.

as for not being able to sue, it costs so damn much to sue i doubt very much the claims of the poeple who've said they've sued and failed. a defecttive design is a defective design, regardless of if it is stil under a warranty or not. hell, not putting some sort of leg guard on honda motorcycles was deemed defective design and they had to pay up. it wasn't that a part was broken, it was that th ebike was defective as designed.