Tony Blair May Soon Be Impeached, Labour Party in revolt

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Sundayherald.com


MPs organising the campaign to impeach Tony Blair believe they have enough support to force a highly damaging Commons investigation into the Prime Minister?s pre-war conduct.

A renewed attempt to impeach Blair over claims he misled parlia ment in making his case for war against Iraq, will be made in the Commons within the next two weeks.

The impeachment process effectively stalled last year when just 23 MPs signed a Commons motion. But the scale of the government?s defeat on its anti-terror legislation last week ? where 49 Labour MPs rebelled ? has galvanised the momentum for proceedings to be invoked.

Organisers say they are expecting 200 cross-party signatures, including those of former government ministers, to force the Commons to set up a Privy Council investigation that would examine in detail the case for impeachment against Blair.

The size of the Labour revolt, allied to unified opposition benches, is said to have changed the climate inside the Commons.

SNP leader, Alex Salmond, one of the key figures in the impeachment campaign, said he now believed that the cross-party attempt to bring the government to account over the Iraq war ?would become more urgent than predicted problems associated with social legislation in England and Wales?.

Following the Commons defeat, it was predicted that future flashpoints for Blair would include a new education reform bill, likely to be presented next spring and new legislation to broaden reform inside the NHS with greater competition from the private sector.

Potential backbench revolts are also predicted if Blair makes any move to update the Trident nuclear programme or tries to introduce a new era of nuclear-generated energy.

Next month, a Green Paper on welfare reform, expected to include moves to cut incapacity benefit, was expected to be the first attack point for Labour dissidents.

However, any parliamentary success on the matter of impeachment is likely to over-shadow other issues.

If the promised signatures materialise, and a vote on the impeachment process is taken, the opportunity to deliver a substantial knock-down blow to Blair is not likely to be passed up by Labour rebels and opposition alike.

One MP last night: ?This would be a golden opportunity. It would be pay-back time for Blair over the way he manipulated parliament before the Iraq war in 2003.

?Last week?s defeat changed the atmosphere in the Commons. The hunt is on, as they say.?

Although the Chancellor, Gordon Brown, has remained publicly loyal to Blair since the defeat, last night, one of Brown?s closest parliamentary allies disobeyed his call to back the Prime Minister unquestioningly.

The former Treasury minister, Geoffrey Robinson, insisted the Prime Minister had to allow his successor sufficient time to win a fourth term. The comment effectively challenges Blair?s claim that he will serve out a ?full third term?.

Blair has acknowledged how difficult the task ahead of him now is. He said in a newspaper interview this weekend that he now faced ?a rough ride? to push through his reform agenda. But he insisted there would be no spectacular U-turn, saying he was still determined to ?continue doing what was right, not what is easy?.

An organiser of the impeachment campaign told the Sunday Herald : ?We have been promised 200 signatures and are now hopeful this process will go ahead as it should have last year. There will be a vote and an investigation will be set up. Does this have the potential to finish Tony Blair? Yes it does.?


This is breaking now and I will keep updates as possible.
 

Steeplerot

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I do not understand Parliament and how impeachment works, I am reading up though now.

Any Anglicans in here explain to us how this would go down?

I know our Canadians would have a grip on this better then I would at least.
 

dahunan

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oh well, like I have said before.. nothing will bring back the 25,000 dead Iraqi citizens.. or the $200,000,000,000+ that has been stolen from the American Taxpayers to fund this war... or the "We are ALL Americans" sentiment as the world stood beside us hand in hand after 9/11 only to see George W. Bush spit in their eyes as he chose to launch a pre-emptive mass murder on Iraq.. pre-emptive means -- against a country that never attacked us...
 

miketheidiot

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i thought it was a vote of confidence? I didn't know of anything about impeachment in britian, unless this is a criminal matter of some sort.
 

Steeplerot

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I do not see a direct impeachment happening it seems it is a probe for impeachment in the next 2 weeks..thread title changed until I learn more.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.impeachblair.org/
http://www.impeachblair.org/downloads/Legal_Opinion_final_22.09.04.pdf




BTW, who was the British weapons inspector who was either suicided or chose to commit suicide because of this war.. anyone remember him?



Yeah, the dude who spoke out about the manipulation on the evidence for the green light to go to war, who was found in a park with his wrist slit.

I remember that well, I just read about some nurse who arrived at the crime scene speaking out about the lack of blood on his body a few months ago.

Who the hell slits his wrist in a park?





Hutton rejects 'whitewash' claim

Lord Hutton has rejected claims his report into Dr David Kelly's death amounted to a "whitewash".



Here is some more


On Thursday, July 17th sometime between 3 and 3:30pm, Dr. David Kelly started out on his usual afternoon walk. About 18 hours later, searchers found his body, left wrist slit, in a secluded lane on Harrowdown Hill. Kelly, the U.K.'s premier microbiologist, was in the center of a political maelstrom having been identified as the "leak" in information about the "dossier" Prime Minister Tony Blair had used to justify the war against Iraq.

While the Hutton inquiry appears set to declare Kelly's death a suicide and the national media are already treating it as a given, there are numerous red flags raised in the testimony and evidence at the inquiry itself.

Kelly's body was likely moved from where he died to the site where two search volunteers with a search dog found it. The body was propped up against a tree according to the testimony of both volunteers. The volunteers reported the find to police headquarters, Thames Valley Police (TVP) and then left the scene. On their way back to their car, they met three "police" officers, one of them named Detective Constable Graham Peter Coe.

Coe and his men were alone at the site for 25-30 minutes before the first police actually assigned to search the area arrived (Police Constables Sawyer and Franklin) and took charge of the scene from Coe. They found the body flat on its back a short distance from the tree, as did all subsequent witnesses.

A logical explanation is that Dr. Kelly died at a different site and the body was transported to the place it was found. This is buttressed by the medical findings of livor mortis (post mortem lividity), which indicates that Kelly died on his back, or at least was moved to that position shortly after his death. Propping the body against the tree was a mistake that had to be rectified.

The search dog and its handler must have interrupted whoever was assigned to go back and move the body to its back before it was done. After the volunteers left the scene the body was moved to its back while DC Coe was at the scene.

Five witnesses said in their testimony that two men accompanied Coe. Yet, in his testimony, Coe maintained there was only one other beside himself. He was not questioned about the discrepancy.

Researchers, including this writer, assume the presence of the "third man" could not be satisfactorily explained and so was being denied.

Additionally, Coe's explanation of why he was in the area is unsubstantiated. To the contrary, when PC Franklin was asked if Coe was part of the search team he responded, "No. He was at the scene. I had no idea what he was doing there or why he was there. He was just at the scene when PC Sawyer and I arrived."

Franklin was responsible for coordinating the search with the chief investigating officer and then turning it over to Sawyer to assemble the search team and take them to the assigned area. They were just starting to leave the station (about 9am on the 18th) to be the first search team on the ground (excepting the volunteers with the search dog) when they got word the body had been found.

A second red flag is the nature of the wounds on Kelly's wrist. Dr. Nicholas Hunt, who performed the autopsy, testified there were several superficial "scratches" or cuts on the wrist and one deep wound that severed the ulnar artery but not the radial artery.

The fact that the ulnar artery was severed, but not the radial artery, strongly suggests that the knife wound was inflicted drawing the blade from the inside of the wrist (the little finger side closest to the body) to the outside where the radial artery is located much closer to the surface of the skin than is the ulnar artery. For those familiar with first aid, the radial artery is the one used to determine the pulse rate.
 

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Doctors question Kelly 'suicide'
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=3546211
Fresh doubts about the death of Dr David Kelly, the British weapons expert, were raised yesterday by three doctors who questioned whether he took his own life.

The doctors suggested that the former United Nations weapons inspector could not have committed suicide in the way described to the inquiry chaired by Lord Brian Hutton.

Kelly was found dead in a copse near his Oxfordshire home in July after being named as the source of a BBC report claiming that the Government had sexed up an intelligence dossier on the threat from Iraq.

A forensic pathologist, Dr Nicholas Hunt, told the Hutton inquiry that Kelly had bled to death from a self-inflicted wound to his left wrist. But Dr David Halpin, a former consultant in trauma and orthopaedic medicine at Torbay Hospital, Devon, and two colleagues, question this account.

In a letter to the Guardian they say: "We view this as highly improbable. Arteries in the wrist are of matchstick thickness and severing them does not lead to life threatening blood loss. Dr Hunt stated that the only artery that had been cut - the ulnar artery - had been completely transected. Complete transection causes the artery to quickly retract and close down, and this promotes clotting of the blood."

The authors of the letter point out that, according to the ambulance team who attended Kelly, the amount of blood at the scene was minimal and that it is unlikely he lost more than a pint of blood.

"To have died from haemorrhage, Dr Kelly would have had to lose about five pints of blood," they say.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=3546211
 

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Five pints of blood :shocked:

That would be a gorefest!

So where did the blood go?






The big artery in his wrist was not even severed...can these people get anything right?

Jeez, it's like they sent brownie out to do the job..
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Five pints of blood :shocked:

That would be a gorefest!

So where did the blood go?






The big artery in his wrist was not even severed...can these people get anything right?

Jeez, it's like they sent brownie out to do the job..

"Jeez, it's like they sent brownie out to do the job" .. I am trying not to laugh when reading this... and it isn't easy

 

Steeplerot

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Looks like this is hitting the net already this morning

Impeachment has not been attempted of a PM in 150 years, though he suffered a large defeat a PM hasent had in 10 years the other day regarding iraq.

Seems Brits think he will be resigning soon instead of suffering the embarrassment of such a old law being used..developing...
 

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: BBond
Real problems for the poodle mean real problems for its master.

;)


...or a cornered lap dog scared enough will bite its master... ;)

And I hope it has rabies.

:laugh:

 
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Serves Blair right. IMO, and it pains me to say it, history will vindicate the Germans, and their resistance to this war, not the Americans and the English.
 

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But... but... but... other intelligence agencies in other countries had the same intelligence.
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Serves Blair right. IMO, and it pains me to say it, history will vindicate the Germans, and their resistance to this war, not the Americans and the English.

History has condemned the Germans time and time again.

We found out not long after the resistance offered by countries like Germany the reason behind it ... Oil For Food.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: DonVito
Serves Blair right. IMO, and it pains me to say it, history will vindicate the Germans, and their resistance to this war, not the Americans and the English.

History has condemned the Germans time and time again.

We found out not long after the resistance offered by countries like Germany the reason behind it ... Oil For Food.

WTFU, the heart of the Oil for Food scandal is right in the good old USA -- in Bush's home state of Texass.

 

jpeyton

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This is VERY good news. At minimum, this will put Bush on notice that there are consequences for lying to your constituency.

Thank God, even after having to deal with the horrific subway bombings in London, U.K.'ers are still vastly more level-headed and intelligent than their U.S. counterparts.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Thank God, even after having to deal with the horrific subway bombings in London, U.K.'ers are still vastly more level-headed and intelligent than their U.S. counterparts.

When are you going to become a Brit?
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: DonVito
Serves Blair right. IMO, and it pains me to say it, history will vindicate the Germans, and their resistance to this war, not the Americans and the English.

History has condemned the Germans time and time again.

We found out not long after the resistance offered by countries like Germany the reason behind it ... Oil For Food.

WTFU, the heart of the Oil for Food scandal is right in the good old USA -- in Bush's home state of Texass.
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