Toney vs. Holyfield

Codewiz

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Toney made Holyfield look REAL bad. Holyfield needs to retire. He can't even put together sentences anymore.

It was a good fight but Holyfield is just too old.
 

bpctech

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what the hell was he babbling about to jim gray for like 10 minutes after the fight?!
 

RanDum72

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can anybody give a round for round account? just missed the fight at my friends house.
 

Evadman

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Tyson could beat them both blindfilded.
 

RanDum72

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yeah sure but didn't you remember Holyfield already whipped Tyson's butt a few years back? back when Tyson was in MUCH better shape?
 

h8red

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Toney is a gansta thug. He pretty much beat up Holyfield in every round. I think the unofficial score card came out pretty close. There was no blood except for Holyfield having a bloody lip. Holyfield got TKO'd in the 9th. You have to see it to believe it. It looked like the biggest dive in the history of boxing. Toney landed a few punches on Holyfield but Holyfield stumbled back and it looked like he was recovering but them Tony just pushed him down. Holyfield's corner threw in the towel. After the 8th round, Holyfield's corner said they were going to throw in the towel if he couldn't defend himself better and that's pretty much what happened. Holyfield lost a lot because of the left shoulder surgery that he had a while back so he wasn't able to do much with the left jab. Another thing is that the ref seemed to watch him for head-buts real close. The interview with Toney at the end of the fight was hilarious. Toney was talking smack. Jim Gray said something along the lines of "let's have a decent interview" because Tony wasn't answering his questions, and Toney knocked the mic out of his hands and walked off
 

spanky

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based on h8red's post... i would definitely like to see toney fight tyson. see if he can try to intimidate iron mike.
 

EXman

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Holyfield the guy with 11 children by 5-6 women?
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Pacfanweb

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Well, if they stopped Holyfield from holding and head butting, he pretty much had no chance.
 

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Originally posted by: EXman
Holyfield the guy with 11 children by 5-6 women?
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that's why his ancient a$$ is still fighting...

sad, he used to be a fighting machine. Holyfield should have retired long ago

why do boxers not know when to quit?
 

h8red

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Originally posted by: spanky
based on h8red's post... i would definitely like to see toney fight tyson. see if he can try to intimidate iron mike.

Spanky:
Toney wasn't all that impressive. He was just fun to watch because he was so cocky. He stuck his tongue out at Holyfield when Holyfield missed a punch. He pointed to the scorekeepers (I don't know why). He flexed at the scorekeepers when they were in a clinch. He kept saying "Who's next" in the interview and that he was invincible. I think Tyson would take care of this thug in short order

Well, if they stopped Holyfield from holding and head butting, he pretty much had no chance.

That's exactly right. The only way Holyfield won was to bloody up the other guy

Holyfield the guy with 11 children by 5-6 women?
And I think he has ~27 bathrooms so he is fighting to keep his palace lined with charmin
 

DieselUV

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Decent fight. I started feeling bad for Holyfield towards the end.

On another note, did anyone see the Morales fight? And why the hell was it at midnight? Good series of fights though.
 

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Originally posted by: Diesel UV
Decent fight. I started feeling bad for Holyfield towards the end.

On another note, did anyone see the Morales fight? And why the hell was it at midnight? Good series of fights though.

They fought in LA so it was only 9pn their.
 

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Awww jeez, he's still not giving up.....

Holyfield plans to fight on, despite taking beating

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Associated Press


LAS VEGAS -- Evander Holyfield had just taken a beating from James Toney, and now he was fighting another losing battle.

Sitting in a post-fight news conference, he was trying to explain why he should keep fighting at his advanced age with clearly declining skills.

The problem was that every time Holyfield opened his mouth he gave another argument for retirement.

"If he (Toney) was a big puncher I'd have been torn apart," Holyfield admitted at one point.

To Holyfield's credit, he offered no excuses -- and no protests -- after his corner threw in the towel in the ninth round Saturday night when Toney was hitting him with every punch he threw. That wasn't the case in many of his recent fights when he blamed various injuries and opponents who weren't willing to mix it up with him for his poor showings.

But once again he blindly refused to acknowledge that, two weeks shy of his 41st birthday, he has neither the reflexes or the skills to continue as a heavyweight contender.

"No, I'm not going to retire," Holyfield said. "I'm going back to the drawing board."

Holyfield will have to find a fountain of youth on that board if he expects to ever be competitive again in the heavyweight division.

Just having his warrior will isn't good enough anymore, as Holyfield found out when he fought bravely but futilely against Toney.

Longtime trainer Don Turner told Holyfield before the ninth round began that he would stop the fight if the beating continued. When Holyfield was knocked down with a left to the body at 1:42 of the ninth round, Turner climbed on the ring apron to save the former four-time heavyweight champion from more punishment.

"I had to stop the fight," Turner said. "I didn't want to see my guy get hurt. I love him too much. I've seen four guys get killed in the ring."

Holyfield, who had won only two of his last seven fights before meeting Toney, said he spent too much time thinking in the ring about what he was going to do and not enough time actually doing it.

That's the mark of an aging fighter, of course, and even Holyfield seemed to recognize as much.

"I kept watching him, trying to figure out how I was going to hit him," he said. "By the time I figured it out, he had hit me."

Holyfield thought he would have an easy time against Toney, a former middleweight champion fighting for the first time as a heavyweight. Toney stood in front of him just as Holyfield wanted, but his reflexes wouldn't allow him to take advantage of it.

Outside of a few good left hooks in the first few rounds, Holyfield did little except swing at air. Toney, on the other hand, landed straight rights, hooks and nearly everything else he threw.

"I've never been hit that many times since 1986 with Dwight Muhammad Qawi," Holyfield said. "At least with Qawi I was hitting him back."

Unlike many aging boxers, Holyfield doesn't need to fight on. He's made tens of millions of dollars in the ring -- $5 million for Toney alone -- and has kept much of what he has earned. But he seems unable to tear himself away from the sport and the limelight.

Now, though, Holyfield has little chance of ever getting fights that will win him a title again. He was so dominated by Toney that his market value is badly diminished, as well as his value as an opponent.

About the only thing he can hope for is a third fight with Mike Tyson, who himself is badly in decline and in need of a big payday to pay off his debts. Whether boxing fans will buy into that fight, though, is even in question.


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