Tom's P4 Overclocking Review

[clarkey01]

Toms Review

No A64 benchmarks lol and he goes " The benchmarks are self-explanatory. With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again. "

Thats like saying " A 3Ghz celeron becomes very powerfull when paired up to the celeron 266", apples to apples, A64 (3800+/fx 53) with no overclocking would still beat a 4ghz P4 in most test and with a bit of overcloking (2.6Ghz-2.8Ghz) it would wipe the floor with it.


FX 55/4000+ Out 11th of October btw, has Intel even got a 3.8Ghz part out yet ?

 

[DrMrLordX]

I do find it interesting that he did not include any Athlon 64 benchmarks for comparison. It's still nice to know that the amazing clock locks on 915/925 chipsets are mostly bypassed. I guess.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Toms Review

No A64 benchmarks lol and he goes " The benchmarks are self-explanatory. With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again. "

Thats like saying " A 3Ghz celeron becomes very powerfull when paired up to the celeron 266", apples to apples, A64 (3800+/fx 53) with no overclocking would still beat a 4ghz P4 in most test and with a bit of overcloking (2.6Ghz-2.8Ghz) it would wipe the floor with it.


FX 55/4000+ Out 11th of October btw, has Intel even got a 3.8Ghz part out yet ?

Why must everything always be an AMD Vs Intel or nVidia Vs ATi thing? Maybe it was just an article to test overclocking on this particular setup with the new unlock feature? It wasn't meant to compare one brand Vs another. You can do that kind of a review you know.

So, a P4 @ 3.72 GHz is not a powerful CPU?

 

[clarkey01]

oldfart, you make it seem like Im anti Intel, I see your point and I agree, and I kindly step down.
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[clarkey01]

I am actaully feeling kind pro Intel today

Cant wait to see what the 2Meg Presscots do.

 

[Lithan]

He doesn't bench anything besides 775 that I can see. It does look like a bullshit review to me.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Lithan
He doesn't bench anything besides 775 that I can see. It does look like a bullshit review to me.

Its a review of the Asus CPU Lock Free feature. What other boards would be good to use to compare that feature?

 

[Lithan]

He makes a comment about the performance without any thing to gauge it against and that doesn't set off any bells in your head?

He also underhandedly says that this setup is the highest performance P4 available. Which is bull. Not only that, he discretely compairs it to A64 with this same comment...

"With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again."

If not A64, what is he compairing it with to determine that it is very powerful? It is assumed he must be compairing it to the competition. You don't compair a p2 celeron to a 386 to call the celeron "powerful".

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Lithan
He makes a comment about the performance without any thing to gauge it against and that doesn't set off any bells in your head?

No, it doesn't. Its not a comparison review. Its a review of a new feature.

Again, not every review has to be a comparison review. Ever read any car magazines? You can review a new car without doing acceleration/braking test against competitors.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Lithan

"With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again."

It is Tom's after all, so you have to take their odd style into consideration. When did the P4 stop being a "powerful CPU"?
My point is, it is perfectly OK to review a product without always having to compare it to some competing product. It is commonly done.

 

[Lithan]

Depends on what kind of review. In a performance review you bet your sweet ass they give it's acceleration and braking numbers. And Toms did give performance numbers, then he used them to draw the conclusion that the 775 rig is "Very powerful", yet he offers no perspective on what "powerful" amounts to. Anyone can see that isn't a good review. It's an advertisement.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: oldfart

Originally posted by: Lithan

"With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again."

It is Tom's after all, so you have to take their odd style into consideration. When did the P4 stop being a "powerful CPU"?
My point is, it is perfectly OK to review a product without always having to compare it to some competing product. It is commonly done.

Not with cpu's. Computers specs and setups vary so much that you CAN'T make a universal comparison against tests performed by others. So giving a cpu's performance numbers without a comparison system, then drawing a conclusion about performance based on those numbers is flawed.

When did the P4 stop being a "powerful CPU"?

Exactly. It didn't. But by making that statement it forces the assumption that this setup outperforms what came before it. (How can something "again" be powerful, if it is actually less powerful than it was before?) Which is an absolute lie.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Depends on what kind of review. In a performance review you bet your sweet ass they give it's acceleration and braking numbers. And Toms did give performance numbers, then he used them to draw the conclusion that the 775 rig is "Very powerful", yet he offers no perspective on what "powerful" amounts to. Anyone can see that isn't a good review. It's and advertisement.

Sorry, but I disagree. Yes, a car performance review does include acceleration/braking, but if it is not a comparison review it doesn't have comparison results for other cars.

So a P4 @ 3.7 being called "very powerful" is not accurate? Even the most novice PC enthusiast can understand that.

Its not an AMD Vs Intel review. Its not a P4 this Vs P4 that review. Its a new never seen before P4 CPU unlock feature, which is newsworthy enough to Merritt a review.

Its not a comparison review.

Motor Trend 05 Corvette review. Performance numbers are there, but none for any competing car. Why? Its not a comparison review. They have plenty of those as well which have comparative performance results.

You can review a product without doing comparisons against other products.

 

[Lithan]

Because a cars performance doesn't vary across stock models. Each car is the same. So you can compare it against known performance numbers. You can look at a Corvette review that says it does 0-60 in 6.3 seconds (or whatever) and compare that to the review of the Porsche you read two months ago that did it in 5.9 seconds.

There is no reason for benchmarks to be in a review unless you are comparing performance. What do benchmarks serve besides to compare performance?

And I consider a p4 @ 3.7 powerful (not "very" powerful). But these guys running siperpi @ 5ghz on LN2 probably think it's crap. The point is that there is no perspective. A via chip might be very powerful in the passively-cooled PC market. But you can't say "Via C3 is a very powerful chip."

Why is it that we demand comparisons before you make comments about performance (which incidentally, is relative). When I see a reviewer call something powerful, it is a natural assumption that he is referencing it against something. The only thing he could be referencing it against is the performance of other processors on the market. But he doesn't give their numbers. Why?

 

[oldfart]

You are missing the point

1) This is a review of the ASUS motherboard CPU Lock Free feature.

2) Its not a review of a P4 vs any other CPU

3) This is not a CPU review.

4) They DO show what the performance of the reviewed product (the Asus mobo) offers with benchmarks comparing different FSB/Mult settings, which is what the purpose of the review is.

5) The performance of the A64 has nothing to do with this review since you cant plug one into this mobo.

When I see a reviewer call something powerful, it is a natural assumption that he is referencing it against something. The only thing he could be referencing it against is the performance of other processors on the market. But he doesn't give their numbers. Why?

If you read that a passenger car does 0 - 60 in 5.3 would you say it is fast compared to the general production car? Would you say a P4 @ 3.7 GHz is powerful compared to the typical CPU being sold right now? Of course it is.

 

[Lithan]

The benchmarks are self-explanatory. With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again.

That statement is refering to the performance of the processor. It is a "review" of the p4 775's performance. So your arguement is invalid. The facts are simple. He declares a processor very powerful without actually proving anything to make it more powerful than a dog turd.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Lithan

The benchmarks are self-explanatory. With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again.

That statement is refering to the performance of the processor. It is a "review" of the p4 775's performance. So your arguement is invalid. The facts are simple. He declares a processor very powerful without actually proving anything to make it more powerful than a dog turd.

Then I suggest you start reading up a bit on basic PC technology since you seem to have absolutely no gage whatsoever where relative CPU performance numbers are. I didn't realize you were such a novice that you dint have a basic understanding of that.

This sounds more like a thinly veiled complaint that Toms didn't put in the mandatory "A64 wipes the floor with Intel" to make the AMD fans happy.

 

[caz67]

Originally posted by: oldfart

Originally posted by: Lithan

"With DDR2-710, FSB1066 and a 3.72-GHz CPU clock speed, the P4 without a doubt becomes very powerful again."

It is Tom's after all, so you have to take their odd style into consideration. When did the P4 stop being a "powerful CPU"?
My point is, it is perfectly OK to review a product without always having to compare it to some competing product. It is commonly done.

I agree, just appreciate the review for what it is..

 

[Tiamat]

IMO, the review's only purpose was to tell peeps that that mobo has a special feature that benefits P4's greatly in OC department. No real need for comparison since comparisons already exist for intel vs amd.
The review shows the difference, or lack of depending on the bench, that higher fsb vs clock speed does.

 

[clarkey01]

like i said, powerfull ? compared to what ?

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
like i said, powerfull ? compared to what ?

The rest of the desktop CPUs availble for sale. Not all that hard to figure out really.

Is a Corvette powerful? Do you need a table of every car made to understand that?

 

[Lithan]

Since p4's come up to 3.6ghz. The only arguement you can possibly make that this is an article about asus' get around to intel's clock lock is that 3.6ghz isn't powerful and 3.72ghz is "very powerful". Needless to say, I think your arguement is weak. The fact is, Tom couldn't let a chance to kiss Intel's ass go by.

Then I suggest you start reading up a bit on basic PC technology since you seem to have absolutely no gage whatsoever where relative CPU performance numbers are. I didn't realize you were such a novice that you dint have a basic understanding of that.

Grow up. I've already mentioned how marks from different sources are not reliable means of drawing comparisons.

 

[Lithan]

Is a Corvette powerful? Do you need a table of every car made to understand that?

Computer configurations are not as simple as stock cars. I've mentioned this about a half dozen times, yet it still hasn't seemed to sink in with you.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Tom couldn't let a chance to kiss Intel's ass.

Well, your AMD fan Boy side is becoming more apparent. Again, you're are just upset that Tom failed to mention how superior the A64 is even though the article had nothing to do with with that subject.
This article is about a motherboard that has a never seen before feature of a P4 unlock. Please excuse him for not making you happy with pointing out that the A64 is a superior CPU. It should be in every article even if it is not pertinent.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Lithan

Is a Corvette powerful? Do you need a table of every car made to understand that?

Computer configurations are not as simple as stock cars. I've mentioned this about a half dozen times, yet it still hasn't seemed to sink in with you.

B.S.

Powerful is easy to understand. A Corvette is powerful for a production car. A P4 @ 3.7 GHz is powerful for a desktop CPU. A child can grasp that.