[Tom's] Nvidia now selling new crippled GTX460

[Termie]

Edit: just to make clear, here's the name of the card: GeForce GTX 460 1GB 192-bit

Just thought people should know that this is a ($150) card to avoid:

"Another great product is starting to become much more scarce: Nvidia's 256-bit GeForce GTX 460 1 GB card, which Nvidia's partners are quietly supplementing with a 1 GB, 192-bit version. In essence, that's the old 768 MB model with a little more memory, but the same crippled bus and fewer ROPs. The consequence of this is a performance profile that's similar to the $130 Radeon HD 6790. Because Nvidia is trying to sell this board between $140 and $160, we aren't going to recommend it."

Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html

Link to Newegg stock:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...3 600007779 600007806&IsNodeId=1&name=192-bit

We often see things like this near or after a card's EOL, but this is pretty tricky...especially at this price point. Avoid!

 

[tincart]

What is the name for this new card?

 

[Termie]

What is the name for this new card?

GeForce GTX 460 1GB 192-bit

 

[railven]

What is the name for this new card?

What I was asking, seems to be GTX 460 1GB. Very shady.

Newegg lists the bus in the title. I also saw in the comment this is bassed off the GF114? Is that correct?

SLI Support Y (with 192bit GF114 Only)

Wouldn't that make it essentially more a GTX 550 than a GTX 460? Well that's even worse. Imagine buying this trying to SLI it to your old GTX 460 only for it not to work.

OP's article pegged this at HD 6790 performance, yet it cost HD 6870 prices? WTF!?

 

[WMD]

So there are now 4 versions of gtx460? gtx460 1gb, gtx460 768mn, gtx460 se, gtx460 1gb 192bit. Deliberately confusing to fool the uninformed. Nvidia up to their annoying tricks again.

 

[railven]

So there are now 4 versions of gtx460? gtx460 1gb, gtx460 768mn, gtx460 se, gtx460 1gb 192bit. Deliberately confusing to fool the uninformed. Nvidia up to their annoying tricks again.

You forgot GTX 460 SE and GTX 460 GE (Green Edition.)

However, I think the GTX 460 GE was just one AIB's attempt to sucker some hippies.

EDIT: oops you did say GTX 460 SE my fault

 

[96Firebird]

I saw this card when I was looking for a 460 1GB to SLI my card with a while back... Looks they are trying their hardest to get rid of all the extra chips that didn't make the cut for the original intended cards.

 

[Termie]

You can compare specs of EVGA's original:

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1370-KR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family&sw=


and "new" 460:

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1361-KR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family&sw=

Full specs of 550Ti versus 460-768:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4221/nvidias-gtx-550-ti-coming-up-short-at-150

 

[railven]

So there are now 4 versions of gtx460? gtx460 1gb, gtx460 768mn, gtx460 se, gtx460 1gb 192bit. Deliberately confusing to fool the uninformed. Nvidia up to their annoying tricks again.

You forgot GTX 460 SE and GTX 460 GE (Green Edition.)

However, I think the GTX 460 GE was just one AIB's attempt to sucker some hippies.

EDIT: oops you did say GTX 460 SE my fault

We also forgot the GTX 460 v2.

 

[notty22]

This card has nothing to do with a gtx 550ti.
It is actually a gtx 460-768 , that now has 1gb of ram.
The 768 model and this one always have had 24 rop's and 192 bus.
In fact the gtx 460-768mb came stock @675mhz when they launched.

 

[railven]

This card has nothing to do with a gtx 550ti.
It is actually a gtx 460-768 , that now has 1gb of ram.
The 768 model and this one always have had 24 rop's and 192 bus.
In fact the gtx 460-768mb came stock @675mhz when they launched.

Any idea why it would say in the description only SLI with GF114 GTX 460s?

That implies to me a mixing of the chips and naming. Curious since I will be offloading a GTX 460 soon and last thing I want is someone who bought the newer version asking me why they don't SLI together.

 

[Termie]

This card has nothing to do with a gtx 550ti.
It is actually a gtx 460-768 , that now has 1gb of ram.
The 768 model and this one always have had 24 rop's and 192 bus.
In fact the gtx 460-768mb came stock @675mhz when they launched.

The 192-bit bus when used with 1GB ram has downsides, as Anandtech mentioned in the 550Ti review: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4221/nvidias-gtx-550-ti-coming-up-short-at-150/2

Also, we still don't know how many ROPs it has. The 550Ti and 460-768 has 24, the full 460 had 32, and the 450 had 16. This hasn't been listed anywhere for the new card. Assuming it has 24, it will perform like an overclocked 460-768.

 

[Meaker10]

IT effectively has 768mb of 192bit ram and 256mb of 64bit ram.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

If it were priced at $120 it'd be a good card for GPU folding in PP/$.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Watch for this card to go on sale and/or rebate for around $100.- Then it's a good buy for medium gaming or buy 2 for a solid SLI rig.

$150.- suggested retail is sucker bait.

 

[railven]

Watch for this card to go on sale and/or rebate for around $100.- Then it's a good buy for medium gaming or buy 2 for a solid SLI rig.

$150.- suggested retail is sucker bait.

Yeah, no way I'd touch that at the current asking price regardless how nice the rebate would be. I'd only pay $120 tops for that thing up front, throw in the rebate after that and I'd get two.

 

[Arkadrel]

460 768mb is slower than a 6850 right?

between $140 and $160

Overpriced compaired to the 6850? their like 120$-140$ on newegg.


This new 460 card needs to be around the 100-110$ or so to be really attractive buy.

 

[RavenSEAL]

460 768mb is slower than a 6850 right?

Overpriced compaired to the 6850? their like 120$-140$ on newegg.


This new 460 card needs to be around the 100-110$ or so to be really attractive buy.

A 6850 is slightly faster than a gtx 460(1gb/256) depending on the situation.

 

[FalseChristian]

Stay away from that 192-bit, 24 ROP. Grab a GTX 560 (non-Ti). It's the same card as the GTX 460 1GB, 256-bit,32 ROPS b ut is clocked much higher at default then the GTX 460 1GB.

 

[notty22]

I'm not recommending this card for the most part. But I can't ignore the overlooking of clock speeds. The 6850 can be faster than the 675mhz gtx 460 (normal version).
But even this gimped version , linked to at newegg is a EVGA SSC clocked at 867mhz, for 150,140 AR. That would easily beat any 6850. Perfect for someone that will not o/c themselves.
Or a gamer who is not in to the hardware aspects of building his own computer etc.
They don't have to do anything to the bios or use o/c utilities etc.

 

[Meaker10]

That's going up against the 6870 at that point though.

 

[Termie]

I'm not recommending this card for the most part. But I can't ignore the overlooking of clock speeds. The 6850 can be faster than the 675mhz gtx 460 (normal version).
But even this gimped version , linked to at newegg is a EVGA SSC clocked at 867mhz, for 150,140 AR. That would easily beat any 6850. Perfect for someone that will not o/c themselves.
Or a gamer who is not in to the hardware aspects of building his own computer etc.
They don't have to do anything to the bios or use o/c utilities etc.

Still doesn't make sense when you can buy the HD6870 for $137AR/Code (WALNUT) at Superbiiz:

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-6870_1G

Even an overclocked 460-192bit will only perform like a heavily OC'd 460-768, assuming you don't get bottlenecked by its odd memory configuration. It can't touch the 6870.

 

[notty22]

The reason 6870's are also competitively prices is because there are similarly fast cards at the same price, with the same or different features. The EVGA model linked to also has it's memory clocked at 1000mhz,, which makes up some of the bandwidth lost with some of the lost memory controllers.
But carry on.

 

[blastingcap]

Would it kill manufacturers to increment their numbers or something?

So instead of "GTX 260 core 216" you can have GTX 261.

And have GTX 460, 461, 462, etc.

What's the point in skipping numbers on parts if they never use them?

And AMD's old "x2" demarcation is way more informative to the average joe than stuff like 6990

 

[railven]

Would it kill manufacturers to increment their numbers or something?

So instead of "GTX 260 core 216" you can have GTX 261.

And have GTX 460, 461, 462, etc.

What's the point in skipping numbers on parts if they never use them?

And AMD's old "x2" demarcation is way more informative to the average joe than stuff like 6990

Don't you know anything about marketing? The more fish you can trick into getting into the trap the better!

The day companies use something easy to read as say: Generation 7, then you have 90%G7, or 80%G7, or 150%G7, you'll never know what the hell your buying unless you did your research before hand.

At this point, your research involves taking a crash course in Comp Engineering!