Tom's Hardware mini rant.

[gibhunter]

Just checked out their dual core stress test. First thng that came to mind is that these guys are changing the motherboard without any type of static electricity protection. Sure, it's not a biggie, everyone does that, but then they do it on a freaking carpet! Come on, carpet is a perfect source of static electricity. You'd think that these computer "engineers" would know it.

Other problem I have is that because of Intel's inability to run full bore on an SLI platform, they are penalyzing the AMD chipset by removing the SLI. Why not run both at the fastest stable settings? It isn't AMD's fault that Intel is too hot to run on an SLI board.

That said, sometimes they have interesting articles and I'll keep reading them, but with those pics they sure ain't helping themselves.

 

[bendixG15]

Why tell us..???? tell Tom.......

We had enough of Tom bashing on this forum...

 

[gibhunter]

They don't have a forum there. Neither do they have article comments like Anand has here.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: gibhunter

Other problem I have is that because of Intel's inability to run full bore on an SLI platform, they are penalyzing the AMD chipset by removing the SLI. Why not run both at the fastest stable settings? It isn't AMD's fault that Intel is too hot to run on an SLI board.

Uhm, because the intel setup couldn't run stable at stock speed.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: gibhunter

Other problem I have is that because of Intel's inability to run full bore on an SLI platform, they are penalyzing the AMD chipset by removing the SLI. Why not run both at the fastest stable settings? It isn't AMD's fault that Intel is too hot to run on an SLI board.

Uhm, because the intel setup couldn't run stable at stock speed.

read bold.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: gibhunter

Other problem I have is that because of Intel's inability to run full bore on an SLI platform, they are penalyzing the AMD chipset by removing the SLI. Why not run both at the fastest stable settings? It isn't AMD's fault that Intel is too hot to run on an SLI board.

Uhm, because the intel setup couldn't run stable at stock speed.

read bold.

And? They wanted to make the systems as similar as possible so the benchmark could be compared. So when they found out the Intel system couldn't handle SLI they downgraded both, so the benchmarks still could be compared.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: gibhunter

Other problem I have is that because of Intel's inability to run full bore on an SLI platform, they are penalyzing the AMD chipset by removing the SLI. Why not run both at the fastest stable settings? It isn't AMD's fault that Intel is too hot to run on an SLI board.

Uhm, because the intel setup couldn't run stable at stock speed.

read bold.

I agree, if it is an option for AMD you run it.

Granted I understand they're actually trying to attempt to put controls in place, however you run the fastest against the fastest. Part of the AMD solution is their motherboards and the chipsets that go along with them. The only way we could truly find out which was fastest on a chip to chip basis would be if they were socket compatible. Too bad, they're not. It is no longer a battle between CPUs alone, but their respective supporting motherbaords and chipsets.

 

[bendixG15]

Originally posted by: gibhunter
They don't have a forum there. Neither do they have article comments like Anand has here.

duh........http://www.community.tomshardware.com/forum/categories.m

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: gibhunter
Just checked out their dual core stress test. First thng that came to mind is that these guys are changing the motherboard without any type of static electricity protection. Sure, it's not a biggie, everyone does that, but then they do it on a freaking carpet! Come on, carpet is a perfect source of static electricity. You'd think that these computer "engineers" would know it.

Been working in IT for upwards of five years now and I change motherboards and other components on carpeted surfaces constantly...as long as you are careful to discharge all of the SE before you handle components and you don't move around alot then you will be fine...

 

[Tostada]

I suppose since they're "professionals" in a "lab" they should remove all the carpet and wear silly wrist straps.

I just make sure to ground myself to the case or monitor before I touch anything... and I usually take off my shoes and avoid scuffing my feet. Are you just angry that they're not setting a good example by being extremely cautious?

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: gibhunter
Just checked out their dual core stress test. First thng that came to mind is that these guys are changing the motherboard without any type of static electricity protection. Sure, it's not a biggie, everyone does that, but then they do it on a freaking carpet! Come on, carpet is a perfect source of static electricity. You'd think that these computer "engineers" would know it.

Been working in IT for upwards of five years now and I change motherboards and other components on carpeted surfaces constantly...as long as you are careful to discharge all of the SE before you handle components and you don't move around alot then you will be fine...

agree... it doesn't worry me at all and I do it almost daily both at work and home.

 

[Zepper]

toms does have a forum - click on "Community" on the left side of the home page. But there is no specific section where one can rip their articles to shreds. You just have to post in the section appropriate to the topic of the article. They also have a place to contact the authors of the articles. I have done so and never heard back. And when you post in the forum sections, no one from Toms ever replies - you just get ad hom. from Toms fan-boys.

.bh.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: gibhunter

Other problem I have is that because of Intel's inability to run full bore on an SLI platform, they are penalyzing the AMD chipset by removing the SLI. Why not run both at the fastest stable settings? It isn't AMD's fault that Intel is too hot to run on an SLI board.

Uhm, because the intel setup couldn't run stable at stock speed.

read bold.

And? They wanted to make the systems as similar as possible so the benchmark could be compared. So when they found out the Intel system couldn't handle SLI they downgraded both, so the benchmarks still could be compared.

yet i believe in their latest article they used DDR2 for the comparison and not DDR in both.....:thumbsdown:

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: biostud
Uhm, because the intel setup couldn't run stable at stock speed.

That is a possible explanation, but not the explanation provided by Tom's:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/stresstest-02.html
we arrived at the conclusion that the nForce4-SLI chipset is simply not yet ready to be used with the Intel platform

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: biostud
Uhm, because the intel setup couldn't run stable at stock speed.

That is a possible explanation, but not the explanation provided by Tom's:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/stresstest-02.html
we arrived at the conclusion that the nForce4-SLI chipset is simply not yet ready to be used with the Intel platform

Sorry, but defending Intel with "facts" is treason and/or heresy outside the laptop forum. You better edit your post before the wrong people see it.