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Tommy says RDRAM does not OC well?

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SteelCityFan

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"Unfortunately, RDRAM cannot be overclocked very well, which is a huge factor for speed demons and performance enthusiasts. DDR SDRAM is still slightly cheaper and more flexible."


http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q1/020318/index.html

Someone buy this guy a clue. I suppose he knows nothing about the many people on this forum already running at PC1066 speeds.


He also says DDR is cheaper... well, only when you are talking about DDR266. He is comparing top of the line PC800 RDRAM to 2nd best DDR266. Come on Tom, compare it to DDR333 prices.
 
The only problem I see with RDRAM is that it is not long for this world....Checkout what crucial has to say about this also by selecting a mobo which uses RDRAM.

Ausm
 


<< They just say that because they don't sell it. It is easy to get, and far cheaper than DDR333. >>



Yeah they don't sell it because the market is so small it is not worth there time or money

Ausm
 


<< That's bull. Last time I checked, #1 DELL was still pumping out RDRAM systems. >>



Sorry but RDRAM sales don't hold a candle to DDR Sales

Why do you think Intel made a chipset to support DDR because they lost their ass on RDRAM


Ausm
 
That's bull that RDRAM doesn't oc well. Samsung PC800 can easily hit PC1066 speeds and some are hitting close to PC1200 speeds with CPU's that can run at 150fsb. Go RDRAM. It is da best for the P4.
 
you are looking at it now, think of RD history. When RD first came out the yields were awful, and the overclocking was non existant. Now RD is moving to the next speed of 1066, so yes, it will be far easier to overclock. If they can't overclock to 1066, how the hell are they going to manufacturer them.

Soon as 1066 comes out, you won't be able to overclock it well either.
 
ausm - read up dude. RDRAM sales are not getting killed by RDRAM in the Intel market. Of course Athlon systems use DDR as their best option. So there are just many more DDR possibilities out there. It works fine for the Athlon, because the Athlon pushes it to its max. That said, it is a fact that RDRAM and only RDRAM can meet the needs of the P4 at >+2.4ghz. In no way is Intel going to cripple their chip with bandwidth limited DDR. For this reason alone, RDRAM ain't going nowhere. Intel developed the i845 for budget builders to compete with the Athlon in this segment of the market. Even though RDRAM and DDR are almost the same price now, an i850 mobo/system is still significantly more expensive than a P4/DDR system. Don't confuse demand for DDR with the premium of an RDRAM system. Anology - # of Camry's sold vs Lexus LS 400's. Camry's blow them away, but Lexus isn't about to discontinue the high-end Toyoto. Closer to home - GForce 4 vs Geforce 3 sales.
 


<< ausm - read up dude. RDRAM sales are not getting killed by RDRAM in the Intel market. Of course Athlon systems use DDR as their best option. So there are just many more DDR possibilities out there. It works fine for the Athlon, because the Athlon pushes it to its max. That said, it is a fact that RDRAM and only RDRAM can meet the needs of the P4 at >+2.4ghz. In no way is Intel going to cripple their chip with bandwidth limited DDR. For this reason alone, RDRAM ain't going nowhere. Intel developed the i845 for budget builders to compete with the Athlon in this segment of the market. Even though RDRAM and DDR are almost the same price now, an i850 mobo/system is still significantly more expensive than a P4/DDR system. Don't confuse demand for DDR with the premium of an RDRAM system. Anology - # of Camry's sold vs Lexus LS 400's. Camry's blow them away, but Lexus isn't about to discontinue the high-end Toyoto. Closer to home - GForce 4 vs Geforce 3 sales. >>



This is only true if you're talking about current implementations of DDR. There will be dual channel DDR solutions coming on the market for the P4 which should compete very well with RDRAM. In fact, with single channel DDR 333 solutions benchmarking higher than PC800 dual channel solutions, DDR might just take the cake! But as of right now, RDRAM definitely is the king. Overclocked DDR, in my experience (running DDR at 344MHz on a MSI 645 Ultra) benchmarks only 6% higher than PC800 (i850) in SiSoft's bandwidth test.
 
LarryJoe, Intel i845 sales far exceed i850 sales now, that's a fact. DDR DRAM sales and demand far far exceed RDRAM sales and demand.

Rambus's very own roadmaps show that RDRAM will continue to be a niche product through 2005, commanding no more than 5% or less of the market place. What do you say to that?
 


<< Jeez, no sh!t. Did you read what I wrote. I confirmed this. >>

Then what's your point Einstein? Intel is going to be pushing RDRAM because it meets the P4's bandwidth needs over 2.4GHz even though I just told you that RDRAM market share has shrunk tremendously and that Rambus even says their RDRAM is a small niche product now.

What's your point?
 
AGodspeed - What do I say to that? Same thing, you get what you pay for. 5% is fine with me, I'll buy it as long as it is still king.
 


<<
This is only true if you're talking about current implementations of DDR. There will be dual channel DDR solutions coming on the market for the P4 which should compete very well with RDRAM. In fact, with single channel DDR 333 solutions benchmarking higher than PC800 dual channel solutions, DDR might just take the cake! But as of right now, RDRAM definitely is the king. Overclocked DDR, in my experience (running DDR at 344MHz on a MSI 645 Ultra) benchmarks only 6% higher than PC800 (i850) in SiSoft's bandwidth test. >>



Larryjoe,

I suppose I shouldn't have been so ambiguous. PC1066 RDRAM definitely is the king right now😉
 


<< AGodspeed - What do I say to that? Same thing, you get what you pay for. 5% is fine with me, I'll buy it as long as it is still king. >>

You said the following:

ausm - read up dude. RDRAM sales are not getting killed by RDRAM [you meant DDR RAM] in the Intel market.

That's incorrect, Rambus's own roadmaps prove that's inaccurate.
 
Nope - I said in the intel market. I stand by it. Killed is a very strong word.

AGodspeed and GL - I am in the mood to debate but I am not just disagreeing to disagree. Just want to say, I consider this friendly banter, OK?
 
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