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Very valid point. When you look at the percentage that voted for each of them you see very few places where one or the other got nearly ALL the vote. But if you look at just the places where one of the other got a majority and you see what we say tends to be true. Democrats controls the coasts and Midwest, Republicans control "fly over country" and nearly all of the south.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The great lakes... duh
The coast comment is a generalization people!!! It is really the inner city elite, most of whom live on the coasts since that is where the big cities are. The Midwest states are the old blue collar union Democrat states while the rest of the country is a total different animal. Actually I think the people who live in the mid-west are much more in tune with the so called "red" states than the coasts. They vote Democratic based on union and tradition mainly, IMO.
2004 election by county
Click here and you will see most Democratic support was on the coats and in the big cities of the midwest and some lower Mississippi river support.
there was a similar map shaded by the voting percentages with counties distorted to represent population. To say the least it showed a much different and much less distorted truth. Unless you think that land votes, of course.
I don't know, I happen to think people deserve respect for their ideas, not because they got a bunch of tools to listen to them. If you've got a good idea, I'm more than happy to listen, even if I'm the only one. On the other hand, if your idea is self-delusional bullshit, I'm going to say so, no matter how many fans I have to step over to do so.
ebaycj
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Dude, Your profile says you're from Chicago. If you're within 50 miles of Chicago (moreso if you are in the city limits), you are within what is known as an "Exception Zone" where generalizations about the midwest do not apply to you. So don't take them personally.
I don't and I'm from Chicago(land) too.
Most of these generalizations are targeted at, say, the southern 1/2 of Illinois, or the whole state of Kentucky, or Iowa, or ... you get my point, Hick country. If you don't have an oversized rusted out pickup truck with at least one gun rack, they're probably not talking about you. If that's the case, chill out.
Edit: this probably also applies to big cities in minnesota, wisconsin, and michigan.
umbrella39
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Nicely put and very true. The red areas of the country are turning more purple with every generation that passes. :thumbsup:
umbrella39
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Originally posted by: umbrella39
The Great Lakes coasts? Pabster may have something with the there is something in the water
Nope, I'm convinced that the real culprit is lead paint!
Since many of the "yokels" can't read, somebody at the paint store should have told them way back in the 60s and 70s that the stuff wasn't meant to be consumed orally (drunk).
"MMMMMM--TASTES LIKE MOONSHINE!!!!" :Q
I'm not a Tom Wolfe fan, but sales doesn't necessarily equate to quality. OTOH, the question of attention and influence is much a matter of the field of one's endeavors as the endeavors, themselves. Just to put your "huh" in perspective, I have published articles in technical journals, and I have two U.S. Patents, #4,155,047 and # 5,157,350 for high performance analog gain control circuits. (Sorry, the images only seem to work in IE
) As for who has "paid attention" to my work, you're welcome to go to the U.S. Patent Office site, search for my patents and see how many later inventors have cited mine in their applications, and I'll be glad to discuss products I've designed that have been used in music production, in some other thread, but that's not what this one's about.This isn't to toot my own horn, but you're the one who raised the issue of who influences who, what and where. You can always tell us about whatever you've done in life, beyond playing the role of a Bushwhacko sycophant, that would give us any reason to listen to anything you have to say. :laugh:
Hayabusa Rider
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Uh, I live in southern Indiana, and these people aren't capable of accepting the responsibility of being a citizen in a democracy. They'd rather sign away their rights and live in a fascist state, as long as they can still have parades and barbecues and unloved children. It's a thundering herd of stupidity.
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Very impressive, are you that guy from Boston? You know the MIT guy who also made music?Originally posted by: Harvey
I'm not a Tom Wolfe fan, but sales doesn't necessarily equate to quality. OTOH, the question of attention and influence is much a matter of the field of one's endeavors as the endeavors, themselves. Just to put your "huh" in perspective, I have published articles in technical journals, and I have two U.S. Patents, #4,155,047 and # 5,157,350 for high performance analog gain control circuits. (Sorry, the images only seem to work in IE
This isn't to toot my own horn, but you're the one who raised the issue of who influences who, what and where. You can always tell us about whatever you've done in life, beyond playing the role of a Bushwhacko sycophant, that would give us any reason to listen to anything you have to say. :laugh:
I actually never talked about my influence and all that, I posted a statement by Tom Wolfe cause I found it interesting and thought it had merits worth talking about. Now that there are 60+ posts in this threat I was right about that at least.
The fact that you have patents and such does not really mater when we are talking politics and news as we are on this forum. The only thing that should matter here are ones ideas and their ability to state them. I think I do quite well at that, especially judging from the amount of hatred that flows my way. If no one is listening to anything I say then why do so many people go out of their way to attack my posts and throw personal insults at me?
EXman
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Well just reading the boards the egos form Cali people is evident even in the FS/FT forum.
I think many on the coast are percieved to be more decadent, shallow, narsassistic (sp), greedy and less interested in family and traditional values and God. In turn us caught in the middle here percieve them as the egotistical coasters.
I'm not disagreeing with anyone I'm just giving you the middle american view.
In turn I bet the coasters think we are a bunch of Fundamentalist gun toating retards that rather spend more time with our families wearing wife beaters and eating fried chicken than making more money or seeking fame.
I think they both can co-exsist just fine and balance each other out.
sandorski
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There's some truth in both views. Cities, especially those that are major Trade Centers have always been more Liberal and the Rural areas more Conservative. It all boils down to exposure to ideas. Cities/Trade Centers are exposed to many ideas, Rural areas to much fewer ideas. Movies/Television has somewhat closed the gap between the 2, but even so day-to-day exposure still makes a huge difference.
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Because you post sh!t to inflame others?Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Very impressive, are you that guy from Boston? You know the MIT guy who also made music?Originally posted by: Harvey
I'm not a Tom Wolfe fan, but sales doesn't necessarily equate to quality. OTOH, the question of attention and influence is much a matter of the field of one's endeavors as the endeavors, themselves. Just to put your "huh" in perspective, I have published articles in technical journals, and I have two U.S. Patents, #4,155,047 and # 5,157,350 for high performance analog gain control circuits. (Sorry, the images only seem to work in IE
This isn't to toot my own horn, but you're the one who raised the issue of who influences who, what and where. You can always tell us about whatever you've done in life, beyond playing the role of a Bushwhacko sycophant, that would give us any reason to listen to anything you have to say. :laugh:
I actually never talked about my influence and all that, I posted a statement by Tom Wolfe cause I found it interesting and thought it had merits worth talking about. Now that there are 60+ posts in this threat I was right about that at least.
The fact that you have patents and such does not really mater when we are talking politics and news as we are on this forum. The only thing that should matter here are ones ideas and their ability to state them. I think I do quite well at that, especially judging from the amount of hatred that flows my way. If no one is listening to anything I say then why do so many people go out of their way to attack my posts and throw personal insults at me?
Pat Robertson has an audience, does that mean we should give him respect? Anyone could sell a product... Enron sold a product, should we give its CEO respect?
NYC is an American icon, and many of the red state population had ancestors that arrived in this country via NYC.
Without the latte sipping elitists, the red states would have nothing, all of their stuff is subsidized by the population centers on the coasts. States like Alabama, Mississippi et all, are totally run on taxes levied from states like NY and CA. So they should shut up already.
Red-State, traditional values, etc. is just another word for the white man's hegemony, that is what they are really up in arms about. Their power-base isn't what it used to be and continues to slip all the time.
Get used to it WASPs.
Without the latte sipping elitists, the red states would have nothing, all of their stuff is subsidized by the population centers on the coasts. States like Alabama, Mississippi et all, are totally run on taxes levied from states like NY and CA. So they should shut up already.
Red-State, traditional values, etc. is just another word for the white man's hegemony, that is what they are really up in arms about. Their power-base isn't what it used to be and continues to slip all the time.
Get used to it WASPs.
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And what exactly is the purpose of that response?Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Because you post sh!t to inflame others?Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Very impressive, are you that guy from Boston? You know the MIT guy who also made music?
I actually never talked about my influence and all that, I posted a statement by Tom Wolfe cause I found it interesting and thought it had merits worth talking about. Now that there are 60+ posts in this threat I was right about that at least.
The fact that you have patents and such does not really mater when we are talking politics and news as we are on this forum. The only thing that should matter here are ones ideas and their ability to state them. I think I do quite well at that, especially judging from the amount of hatred that flows my way. If no one is listening to anything I say then why do so many people go out of their way to attack my posts and throw personal insults at me?
If you don't like what I say then just ignore me. There are plenty of people on here who I ignore, don't even read many of their posts anymore, because I feel they are just so off the plantation that it is not worth my time.
If you don't wana hear what I am saying, then stop listening.
BTW: If stating a personal opinion is ?inflaming? people then we are in deep trouble. Just about everything I say is backed up or in agreement with the mainstream conservative movement in this country. I am not out on the fringes making things up or taking totally off the wall views.
You're right, I dislike the coastal egotism just as much as the middle American variety. Since I've moved to Maryland I've actually heard people refer to various placed I've lived as "flyover states". I thought that was some middle American fantasy of how people on the coasts talked, I didn't think people actually said stuff like that. But as annoying as that is, the coasties don't seem to buy into this idea that they are the chosen people, the only "real Americans", the way some middle Americans seem to. People on the coasts might think they are better, but the middle Americans who think they are better take it to a WHOLE new level of annoying egotism.
Bottom line, I've lived in enough places to say that both sides are wrong...and that people who live such isolated lives really need to get out and check out the rest of the country. Like you said, there is a nice balance...America wouldn't really be America without all of it.
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Notwithstanding all the bickering in this thread, I want to point out that the coasts are not the sole bastions of liberalism in this country, and there are several "blue" states, my own included, in the middle part of the country.
I'm quite sure Tom Wolfe's comments weren't meant to somehow suggest that liberals are out of touch with the mainstream, regardless of how "ProfJohn" (apparently not a professor of literature) has contorted them - he was talking about something else entirely.
I'm quite sure Tom Wolfe's comments weren't meant to somehow suggest that liberals are out of touch with the mainstream, regardless of how "ProfJohn" (apparently not a professor of literature) has contorted them - he was talking about something else entirely.
He was? Perhaps I'm missing something (or relying too much on the bit ProfJohn quoted), but I'm not sure how many other ways "most of the meaning of America lies between the coasts" could be read.
You are right about coastal liberalism myths though, and even the blue states in the upper midwest don't tell the whole story...a lot of the bastions of "middle Americanism" are VERY purple, including the state I went to school in...Iowa. Really, the HEAVY red states in the middle of the country (like Nebraska and Oklahoma) seem to be almost more the exception than the rule.
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For the record I don't think Wolfe meant "liberalism." He did say "writers" as well. I think he might be talking about the egotistic view that people on the coasts seem to have. As he said, he saw many things in mid-America that people on the coast would be in shock about. No matter how you look at it life in the midland is VERY different than life on the coast and I think many things the coasties think is important the midlanders could care less about.
The rest of his comments might be in this new book of his that is mentioned in the second link.
BTW: I post the quote as it is on the web page, who knows what else he said.
The rest of his comments might be in this new book of his that is mentioned in the second link.
BTW: I post the quote as it is on the web page, who knows what else he said.
Funny, I've never heard anyone use the term "flyby states" in my entire life and I grew up in the NE.
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No, YOU don't see it in the big city. I've never heard anyone talk about the American dream and mention apple pie, church, picnics or any other delusional idea you have of what it means to be American. But I do see your point and your agenda, which also plagues many of those red states. Your idea of America consists of one color, where the coastal areas have moved on and realize America is made of the great people that immigrated here. You know, the people that built the US, the people that transformed this country into the super power it is today, the people who gave you all the luxuries you have, you know, Americans.
And you should know that New York provided more soldiers than any other state during WWII.
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