Tom Pabst ardently against Capitalsim *Rant*

Texmaster

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This guy really makes me sick. Everyone knows Tom is biased towards AMD. Thats not news. But if you read his artcile "Who's screwing who" you get a much better look at the troll. Not only does he take his usal shots at Intel, but now he throws Nvidia in the mix.

He basically is saying how DARE Nvidia use good marketing tactics to sell their product! How DARE they raise prices when they are successful!

This guy has a seroius problem with companies that excel and whats worse continue to want to Exel! LOL

Don't believe it? Take a gander at the second page first sentences of his Intel slam:

The days of freedom and peace are over now. Intel is getting ready to blow AMD away with its fast and acceptably priced Pentium 4 processors and Intel's managers are regaining their long-gone self-confidence.

This guy has a real problem with Intel and instead of being the unbiased journalist he claims he is, he is STILL takeing shots at Intel even though they are performing.

Its really getting rediculus.
 

KDOG

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UGh, Tom Pabst....he's never been one of my favorite people. I don't even have his site bookmarked...
 

HaVoC

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Yeah but think if AMD did go under, then we have only Intel in the x86 world. Then we are ALL worse off. Not saying capitalism is bad but that a lack of competition is bad. I agree that Pabst is biased and has lost a lot of credibility compared to a few years back.
 

apoppin

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Well, have you posted this on his message board?

I think we need the Tom's of the world . . . like it or not, disagree with him or not, he gets things stirred up and people thinking. He make it clear it is his opinion - that's what an "editorial" is.

And it all falls under "freedom of speech". If you really don't like it, don't contribute to the traffic his site gets (don't visit anymore).
 

Texmaster

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<< Well, have you posted this on his message board?

I think we need the Tom's of the world . . . like it or not, disagree with him or not, he gets things stirred up and people thinking. He make it clear it is his opinion - that's what an "editorial" is.

And it all falls under "freedom of speech". If you really don't like it, don't contribute to the traffic his site gets (don't visit anymore).
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Please show us where it says "opinion" under that column. I was a journalist and the cardinal rule is not to get personally involved in a story unless its an editorial. And since its not labeled an editorial, he is breaking the journalistic code of conduct.

Anadtech manages to bite its tougue when reviewing hardware, Tom should be able to as well.
 

Texmaster

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<< Yeah but think if AMD did go under, then we have only Intel in the x86 world. Then we are ALL worse off. Not saying capitalism is bad but that a lack of competition is bad. I agree that Pabst is biased and has lost a lot of credibility compared to a few years back. >>



Totally agree on all points.
 

apoppin

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Are you new to Tom'sHardware?

He is ALL opinion.

Anand also gives his opinion. That's what a hardware reviewer does. Tom is well-known for his bias.

If he makes you "sick", simply don't visit his site anymore.

Personally - notice this is MY opinion - I like his site and his bias. I may not agree with him but I feel he fills a niche and a nice counterbalance to some of the other "bland" (not AT) Hardware review sites.
 

Hanpan

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<< Are you new to Tom'sHardware?

He is ALL opinion.

Anand also gives his opinion. That's what a hardware reviewer does. Tom is well-known for his bias.

If he makes you "sick", simply don't visit his site anymore.

Personally - notice this is MY opinion - I like his site and his bias. I may not agree with him but I feel he fills a niche and a nice counterbalance to some of the other "bland" (not AT) Hardware review sites.
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I most certanly agree. Tom has been branded from and intel zealot to an amd sellout to everythign else under the sun. So why do I continue to read. Becasue Tom is the one person who is not affraid to say things even if they are unpopular and furthermore has the ability to make others listen. NOt only that toms know his SH!t. It also seems to me that over time tom has shown he is more biased towards intel than amd. While it may seem that this has changed and it has, in the 4 years i ahve beeen reading his page this is the only conclusion i can draw.
 

Texmaster

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<< Are you new to Tom'sHardware?

He is ALL opinion.

Anand also gives his opinion. That's what a hardware reviewer does. Tom is well-known for his bias.

If he makes you "sick", simply don't visit his site anymore.

Personally - notice this is MY opinion - I like his site and his bias. I may not agree with him but I feel he fills a niche and a nice counterbalance to some of the other "bland" (not AT) Hardware review sites.
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Ah but WE don't claim to be journalists. HE does. And he in the past has denyed ANY bias towards AMD.

If he just came out and said it, FINE. Just admit to it.
 

Busch

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Man oh man, are you so untrue. Tom is biased to whomever pays him the most money. Tom is historically known to be biased with Intel. And Nvidia. Just you watch him, as I have over the past several years. He changes his tune more than Bill Clinton. lol
 

apoppin

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Well, have you answered ANY of my questions?

1. Well, have you posted this on his message board?

2.Are you new to Tom'sHardware?

3. Why don't you stop visiting his site?

Personally, I hate Andy Rooney but am not going to start a topic in OT about his "journalism".

Tom does what he does. And it falls under the "freedom of expression" category. I have a feeling some of you might be jealous because he has a big following and is successful at what he does. :)
 

majewski9

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I have always agreed with everything he said. I do think it is hard not to be critical of comp hardware giants Nvidia and Intel.
 

veryape

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He used to be just as biased against AMD. Don't even go to his site anymore. Have not been there in over a year,guess he has changed who he is batting for eh. Hes'an ass.
 

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Five points:

(1) I suspect that one's love of Intel is inversely proportional to the number of years one has done business with them.

Several years ago (Electronic?) Engineering Times had a front page article that stated in the second sentence "Frequently Intel's arrogance spills over onto its customer base". I don't know if this persists, but old timers have had some very painful, and sometimes very costly, experiences with that arrogance.

This isn't an anti-Intel rant on my part.

It's just that I have seen Intel do some absolutely ghastly things to its corporate customers. Frequently, it was done just because they could.

(2) If Tom is anti-capitalism, what's he pro? On the entire face of this planet there isn't much else left that hasn't disgraced itself badly and repeatedly.

(3) I always thought that Tom was an electrical engineer. If so, you should summon all of your energies to forgive him for that.

Besides most reasonable people ignore electrical engineers whenever they say just about anything. They lack the knowledge, insight, and purity of reason that comes with being (ahem) a software person.

(4) Besides Tom is really nice guy, even if he is (or is not) an ANTI-CAPITALIST PIG.

(5) Instead of ranting to us, tone it down a bit and write Tom. Most of us will take constructive criticism, though hardly any of us respond well to verbal assaults.


The above is half serious and half not. It is NOT intended to offend anyone. Not even electrical engineers.

No offense intended and I certainly hope none taken.
 

PG

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I guess I don't see the problem. Intel has bullied motherboard makers in the past, at least according to Tom, and he says that they are doing it again now. Here is what he says about Intel and the P4 chipset from VIA:

If Intel's managers had been able to learn one lesson from the last two years, then it should have been to be reasonable. Unfortunately they didn't. Intel wants to sell Pentium 4, but it wants to have the whole pie, not just the major piece (selling the processors). VIA's P4X266 has to be stopped and what would be easier than falling back into old habits? So in the last weeks, Intel salespeople got in touch with all the major Taiwanese motherboard makers and played another round of the Chipset Game. "You produce P4X266 motherboards and we will either sue you, or you won't get any of our 'legal' Pentium 4 chipsets in the future." Unfortunately those mobo makers aren't exactly the heroes we'd like them to be. The result is that none of the top three board makers Asus, MSI and Gigabyte feels like releasing the P4X266-products they have developed already. Only the small players, who are in urgent need of some money in shape of sales, will join VIA in its P4X266 campaign for the time being. The three big guys are checking to see if anyone of the small guys gets sued. Once the air is clear, you'll bet that Asus, MSI and Gigabyte will be right there with their own P4X266 solutions.

IF this is true, then Intel isn't using good marketing tactics. That is acting like a bully.

Also, did you skip over the part where he reamed Via?

The other tidbit you should be aware of before condemning Intel for bullying VIA is the current situation of another Taiwanese chipset maker by the name of SiS. It is an open secret that the Athlon DDR-chipset SiS 735 is performing very well and so far better than VIA's Apollo KT266. The logical conclusion would be that motherboard makers take SiS735 in close consideration and develop as well as sell motherboards with this chipset rather than with VIA's KT266. Now it's VIA's part to influence the motherboard makers. Board makers receive incentives to market their products with VIA chipsets as long as the motherboard maker does not produce any boards with SiS735 chipset.

He also ripped on ATI, not just Nvidia:

Basically, NVIDIA is pretty much guilty of the same thing that ATi is guilty of. Both companies supplied stuff for a test that is still not available to general public 2 weeks later. In a way NVIDIA might have the better end of the stick, since it is most likely that Detonator 4 will be finalized long before ATi will start shipping Radeon 8500.

In a nutshell, he ripped on pretty much everyone and just wants them to stop playing games and bullying other companies. You can easily see this in his final comments of the article:

We need competition in the 3D-arena and so we need ATi. However, we want all parties to play fair. It's a least a nice and noble (but futile) wish.
 

JellyBaby

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I read and enjoyed that article. Nothing was factually incorrect as far as I could tell. It's an opinion piece, clearly marked as such. Many of us enjoy that kindof writing. There's bias in everything, live with it. Tom's entertaining and if you can get by the arrogance his site is worth bookmarking.

I don't believe he's anti-capitalism.

If you don't like what he has to say, don't read it. End of story.
 

sandorski

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"Anti-Capitalist"? Perhaps, if you believe in Darwinian Capitalism. Without competition, Capitalism is no better than Communism.
 

luv2chill

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haha...

Tex if you were a journalist I bet your copy editors were busy people--your spelling is atrocious!

:)

l2c
 

Ferocious

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It's about generating maximum profits. More hits. Fox news has blossomed doing the same thing.

In modern corporate America, more often doing what is right or moral usually takes a back seat to maximizing next quarter's profits for the books.
 

Looney

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Anadtech manages to bite its tougue when reviewing hardware, Tom should be able to as well.


That's what gives these sites their personality... their opinions. Tom is VERY well known for his baises.. that's one of the reasons why i haven't visited him in so long, his stuff no longer appeals to me (but at one time i visited him religiously).

 

Looney

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BTW, HardOCP is one site i visit regularly... and i'm VERY glad that they're as opinionated as they are.
 

Cyberian

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<< In modern corporate America, more often doing what is right or moral usually takes a back seat to maximizing next quarter's profits for the books. >>


Thank you.
 

Red Dawn

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Who give a damn what that Tuetonic twit says? He's almost as annoying as Red Assed Limbaughtistas like Texmaster
 

MustPost

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I literaly didn't know Tom was an AMD zealot.
I used to go to his site and I saw he was so Intel biased I stopped going to his sight and pretty much stopped reading information from and about his site.