Tom has the O/C info up! :)

[AbRASiON]

on the duron and t-bird

www.tomshardware.com

which of them little metal things to cut and join etc - very cool!! - we just need someone to put this into practice now

 

[Czar]

Thank god for the silver pen

 

[AbRASiON]

But how od we cut the links?

 

[Martijnos]

Man, I don't get it! First I thought:"Yes this Duron is going to be my next processor!" But now I'm having serious doubts about going the for the AMD route. I'm looking for the best bang for the buck, but it seems AMD is forcing us to take a pen and we may break our hard earned processor! Ofcourse, I'm not obliged to do this, but still I want to get the most out of my system without taking too great risks. Read the article at http://www.overclockers.com/ called "AMD locking multipliers because of remarking? It's nonsense. So's not reaching high FSB with Athlon boards"

 

[Adul]

So who is going to try this first? And where do we get a silver pen?

 

[brennan]

A few days ago, I posted here wondering why I should get a Celeron 2 rather than a Duron. Most people agreed that with overclocking, a Duron would be much faster, and it looked like they would be good overclockers, so it made a hell of a lot of sense to wait a little while for a Duron. I started leaning C2 b/c of the price (for me, with an existing BX board, C2 is like half the price of a Duron and new mobo), but I was still waffling.

But I'm not someone who's willing to go to these lengths to overclock, because frankly I'm afraid I might mess it up, and I don't have the money to burn a Duron 700. So, I'm definitely going the C2 route. Oh well.

Good article/link, Martijnos.

-brennan

 

[utopia]

Duron+MX = o/c

 

[Guardian]

Brennan, I don't get your point. Whether or not the Duron is overclocked it still beats an overclocked C2. Unless you want to overclock just for the fun of it and not the cheap performance increase then I guess the C2 is for you.

 

[Quickfingerz]

Duron is the way to go. You seriously are not thinking straight if you consider a C2 over a Duron.

 

[ltk007]

Why AMD, why. What did we do to you. Remarkers my ass, they are just spiting their faithful and loyal followers. I better buy a Duron now, before they are locked.


edit: Bah screw it. I'm getting a magical silver pen. I am going do all the work once and hopefully I won't kill the processor. I'll just pray that 950 works. If not I'll buy myself a Peltier.

 

[SuperFreaky]

If he already has a Mobo to take a Celly 2 than it makes more sense.... although I'd still get a coppermine over a celly2!

 

[ltk007]

Cel 2 is crap. There's no point in getting one when you can get a 600e. Its worth spending the money.

 

[brennan]

Straight up, sure, Duron beats C2, and usually even OCd C2. But if I get the clock speed high enough, C2 will hang:

C2 566/slocket/Golden Orb: $136
Duron700/mobo/Golden Orb: approx $320

Q3 FPS (640x480x16 on BX) w/C2@850: 111.2
Q3 FPS (640x480x16) w/D700: approx. 106.2 (Athlon 1 700/KX133 score)

These numbers are from Anand's C2 OCing review. And, I expect that I could get near 900 MHz with a decent C2 - that seems to be what most people are reporting. So, I'm thinking at least somewhat straight. I mean, it's just a lot cheaper, and I won't have to wait. And anyways, if I wait for the Duron I'm probably going to wait for Abit's RAID board in September, which is a long way off. So for me (NOT for everyone) it seems to make sense.

-brennan

 

[Double Trouble]

If you have a good BX board with a 300A@450 or something like that, a cheap $100 C2 @ 850 is the best cheapest upgrade you can do. Especially if you only have PC-100 memory, because that makes an overclocked PIII difficult. If you're looking at putting together a new system, the Duron is looking good.

I'm not about to use no silver pen to go messing with my CPU though, I wish there was an easier way.

 

[zippy]

ltk007...there was a rash of remarking actually. A few board members here got remarked chips actually. It wasn't to b!tch slap hobbyists like intel did.

 

[brennan]

tagej:
Exactly, thanks - I thought I was alone here. I have a C366@550, wih decent (but untested above 100 MHz) PC100. And, the C2 combo is $70 less than the P3-600E. As nice as it would be to always go with the solution that's technologically best, I gotta go cheap here. I'll do things right in my next (major) upgrade, and spend the cash. This is a holdover.

And actually, maybe someone can tell me - I'm going to be using a Promise Ultra66 for the HDD...can this handle high bus speeds? My old HDD couldn't do anything other than 66 or 100 MHz bus speeds (Maxtor 10gig), but I'm getting an IBM 75GXP on the Promise card, and I'd like to shoot for at least a 112MHz bus. Anyone have experience?

-brennan

 

[Tripleshot]

I have my hands on a Duron 600 and a T-bird 700(Slot A) and I am a pretty fair electronic tech handy with a soldering iron and different soldering techniques. I am not about to mess with this method of over clocking,hobby or not. It is too invasive IMHO and too easy to screw up a cpu. I am waiting for a mobo solution or a change of heart by AMD on there stance against remarking(I sure as hell don't want a remarked chip!)before I would recommend the duron/T-bird to a tweaker.

I think Intel will be the tweakers choice for price/performance/risk on celeron II's and better yet PIII's with via or trusty BX.

I could be wrong, but thats todays opinion, for sure.

 

[Double Trouble]

Brennan: Generally controllers (SCSI or IDE) don't like the high bus speeds.... but I've had the Promise Fastrak 66 running at 117/3 for a long time without any incident. I just bought a new Promise Fastrak 100 this weekend along with 2 IBM 75GXP's..... should be a screaming combo!

Be careful though with overclocking the controller, because one of the side effects of it are usually that data gets corrupted (especially the fat tables), and you might have to blow away everything on the drive and reformat if something goes wrong. Just a word of warning from personal experience.

 

[Martijnos]

Double post....Right now, when I'm trying to make a point .

 

[Martijnos]

What AMD is doing, is not right. They say it's to prevent remarkers earning money the wrong way. But why do they keep it possible (see toms article)?
Hey, I'm not an Intel fan or an Amd fan (I have a k6-2) I just want to best bang for the buck. If it won't be possible to overclock the Duron or Thunderbird (or with a pen and I'm not going to do that) I will buy the Asus 815 and a 700E cbo next month. This system will be fast, but it won't have a good upgrade path.
I was supposed to wait for DDR and 760 chipset, but who says that DDR won't be expense as hell this year.

BTW, why are there no reactions on the article at http://www.overclockers.com/ "AMD locking multipliers because of remarking? It's nonsense. So's not reaching high FSB with Athlon boards"
It is one of the best articles I read in months. Yes, it's critical about AMD.....don't be afraid, AMD and Intel are only CPU makers that want to make money by selling those to customers. Let's be critical about both.

 

[AbRASiON]

Yeah, i am SO DAMN SICK of AMD chips NOT overclocking via FSB!, that would solve EVERYTHING.... but they overclock via FSB about as well as a bus floats.

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