Tom Delay thread 9-13-06: Judge considers charges again, postpones trial for another year

[dmcowen674]

I don't see Republican in here touting the reversal of their hero Delay's redistricting to prop up the Republican vote. Wonder why?

It was sp blatant it could not be swept under the rug even by the Federal courst. I bet now it probably could since the USSC is now in favor of Republicans.

This case was brought to them before the new USSC make up otherwise I'm sure they would've bypassed the Federal District courts and went straight to the USSC to get away with this.

It's still something to see how blind the American sheeple are to this manipulation.

8-4-2006 Texas district put back to way it was before Tom Delay carved it up in favor of Republicans

AUSTIN, Texas - Three federal judges on Friday reunited a south Texas county into one congressional district under a Supreme Court-ordered map revision, a move that solidified Hispanic voting strength and made one Republican incumbent's re-election campaign more difficult.

The revision came after the Supreme Court in June found that the congressional map drawn by Republican state lawmakers in 2003 unconstitutionally diluted Hispanic voting power by dividing Hispanics in Webb County into two different districts represented by GOP Rep. Henry Bonilla and Democratic Rep. Henry Cuellar.

The new map places Webb County, which includes Laredo, entirely in Cuellar's district, and gives Bonilla the heavily Hispanic and Democratic neighborhoods of south Bexar County.

The 2003 map revision was engineered by former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was indicted on state charges in connection with alleged money-laundering during the 2002 campaign for legislative seats and resigned from Congress.

"All we want as Hispanics is for everyone's voting rights to be respected," said state Rep. Richard Raymond, D-Laredo. "Not just ours but everyone's; and when you trample ours we won't stand by. I hope the Republicans learned a lesson."

 

[catnap1972]

(cue peanut gallery)

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! The Democrats lost and won't get over it! Why do they hate America and everything it stands for?"

 

[CrackRabbit]

Gerrymandering, is gerrymandering. It doesn't matter who is doing it.

 

[alzan]

About time. Although one remaining issue is that the various states of the union all have different ways of dealing with gerrymandering, ranging from criminal penalties to looking the other way when it happens.

alzan

 

[Gibsons]

What the article fails to mention is Delay gerrymandered most of the state, this is just one small part.

 

[marvdmartian]

Gee, Dave, maybe it's because most Texans know that Tom Delay was just another political blowhard that would come and go, like they all do, and really no worse in his way than a rabid liberal like Diane Feinstein?? Besides, he wasn't any worse than the Texas democrats that "escaped" to Oklahoma, to delay the vote on the restructuring, than face up to it and try to deal with it like an adult would. :roll:

Maybe there is hope that Texas may be an American State once again

**Slaps Dave with a halibut!!**
Really, Dave, that is possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen in this forum section. :|

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Gee, Dave, maybe it's because most Texans know that Tom Delay was just another political blowhard that would come and go, like they all do, and really no worse in his way than a rabid liberal like Diane Feinstein?? Besides, he wasn't any worse than the Texas democrats that "escaped" to Oklahoma, to delay the vote on the restructuring, than face up to it and try to deal with it like an adult would. :roll:

Maybe there is hope that Texas may be an American State once again

**Slaps Dave with a halibut!!**
Really, Dave, that is possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen in this forum section. :|

While I agree with your comments about Dave, tell me how would the democrats have dealt with the vote on restructuring when it was clearly a case of 'dictatorship by the majority'. The repubs had the votes to make it happen as along a sufficient quorum was present. The only option left was to try and ensure the quorum was not met.

Tom Delay being indicted and democrats playing politics are not the same thing. Which is why the democrats are still there in TX and Tom Delay is disgraced and took a mighty fall. (Good riddance IMHO).

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Gee, Dave, maybe it's because most Texans know that Tom Delay was just another political blowhard that would come and go, like they all do, and really no worse in his way than a rabid liberal like Diane Feinstein?? Besides, he wasn't any worse than the Texas democrats that "escaped" to Oklahoma, to delay the vote on the restructuring, than face up to it and try to deal with it like an adult would. :roll:

Maybe there is hope that Texas may be an American State once again

**Slaps Dave with a halibut!!**
Really, Dave, that is possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen in this forum section. :|

In that case, both parties were being stupid. Dems for hiding, and Rick Perry (representing the GOP, of course) for demanding endless special sessions of congress, each at a cost of over $1 million IIRC, until the bill was voted on.

There was quite a bit of gerrymandering in the new map (look at Travis county), but the Democrats had done the same with the previous map. Personally, I find it rediculous. Why can't we use county lines as district borders?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Gee, Dave, maybe it's because most Texans know that Tom Delay was just another political blowhard that would come and go, like they all do, and really no worse in his way than a rabid liberal like Diane Feinstein?? Besides, he wasn't any worse than the Texas democrats that "escaped" to Oklahoma, to delay the vote on the restructuring, than face up to it and try to deal with it like an adult would. :roll:

Maybe there is hope that Texas may be an American State once again

**Slaps Dave with a halibut!!**
Really, Dave, that is possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen in this forum section. :|

In that case, both parties were being stupid. Dems for hiding, and Rick Perry (representing the GOP, of course) for demanding endless special sessions of congress, each at a cost of over $1 million IIRC, until the bill was voted on.

There was quite a bit of gerrymandering in the new map (look at Travis county), but the Democrats had done the same with the previous map. Personally, I find it rediculous. Why can't we use county lines as district borders?

Because neutral approaches like that don't have a hope in heck with the highly partisan system in place. But you knew that already.

 

[CPA]

lol, Dave your so funny. Where are your articles when the Dems did the same thing in 1990. You should see some of the districting that is around the Houston Area. It's absurd. Look at Democrat Gene Green's district and tell me that isn't gerrymandering. Notice that area in the NW that is almost encircled by Green's district. That is Kingwood, 90% republican. Convenient that when that district was designed it went around it, don't ya think.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CPA
lol, Dave your so funny. Where are your articles when the Dems did the same thing in 1990. You should see some of the districting that is around the Houston Area. It's absurd. Look at Democrat Gene Green's district and tell me that isn't gerrymandering. Notice that area in the NW that is almost encircled by Green's district. That is Kingwood, 90% republican. Convenient that when that district was designed it went around it, don't ya think.

Hmmmmm 1990, that was before I gave a flip about Politics which did not occur until I was in jail because of Politics.

If the Dems did that now I would chastize them just as much.

 

[imported_Baloo]

Originally posted by: catnap1972
(cue peanut gallery)

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! The Democrats lost and won't get over it! Why do they hate America and everything it stands for?"

Wow, I wonder how you would act if it was your rights being trampled. In any event, Democrats don't hate america, and they are what america stand for. It is you that is on the other side of the fence.

 

[imported_Baloo]

Originally posted by: CPA
lol, Dave your so funny. Where are your articles when the Dems did the same thing in 1990. You should see some of the districting that is around the Houston Area. It's absurd. Look at Democrat Gene Green's district and tell me that isn't gerrymandering. Notice that area in the NW that is almost encircled by Green's district. That is Kingwood, 90% republican. Convenient that when that district was designed it went around it, don't ya think.

Are you sure it was not delay that did this, to move those republicans to the other district? Given that the whole state was restructured by Delay, where do you get that it was democrats that did this district?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CPA
lol, Dave your so funny. Where are your articles when the Dems did the same thing in 1990. You should see some of the districting that is around the Houston Area. It's absurd. Look at Democrat Gene Green's district and tell me that isn't gerrymandering. Notice that area in the NW that is almost encircled by Green's district. That is Kingwood, 90% republican. Convenient that when that district was designed it went around it, don't ya think.

Hmmmmm 1990, that was before I gave a flip about Politics which did not occur until I was in jail because of Politics.
If the Dems did that now I would chastize them just as much.

:camera:
Pictures or ban.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: Baloo

Originally posted by: catnap1972
(cue peanut gallery)

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! The Democrats lost and won't get over it! Why do they hate America and everything it stands for?"

Wow, I wonder how you would act if it was your rights being trampled. In any event, Democrats don't hate america, and they are what america stand for. It is you that is on the other side of the fence.

I think you missed the sarcasm there, Baloo.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: Baloo

Originally posted by: catnap1972
(cue peanut gallery)

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! The Democrats lost and won't get over it! Why do they hate America and everything it stands for?"

Wow, I wonder how you would act if it was your rights being trampled. In any event, Democrats don't hate america, and they are what america stand for. It is you that is on the other side of the fence.

I think you missed the sarcasm there, Baloo.

Gotta make a note to send him some new batteries

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CPA
lol, Dave your so funny. Where are your articles when the Dems did the same thing in 1990. You should see some of the districting that is around the Houston Area. It's absurd. Look at Democrat Gene Green's district and tell me that isn't gerrymandering. Notice that area in the NW that is almost encircled by Green's district. That is Kingwood, 90% republican. Convenient that when that district was designed it went around it, don't ya think.

Hmmmmm 1990, that was before I gave a flip about Politics which did not occur until I was in jail because of Politics.

If the Dems did that now I would chastize them just as much.

I guess you want Texas to return to democratic gerrymandering that put more democrats in office than republicas. Nothing wrong with that except statewide election are going for the most part to republicans. Is the political freedom and honesty in elections you seek?

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Gee, Dave, maybe it's because most Texans know that Tom Delay was just another political blowhard that would come and go, like they all do, and really no worse in his way than a rabid liberal like Diane Feinstein?? Besides, he wasn't any worse than the Texas democrats that "escaped" to Oklahoma, to delay the vote on the restructuring, than face up to it and try to deal with it like an adult would. :roll:

Maybe there is hope that Texas may be an American State once again

**Slaps Dave with a halibut!!**
Really, Dave, that is possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen in this forum section. :|

In that case, both parties were being stupid. Dems for hiding, and Rick Perry (representing the GOP, of course) for demanding endless special sessions of congress, each at a cost of over $1 million IIRC, until the bill was voted on.

There was quite a bit of gerrymandering in the new map (look at Travis county), but the Democrats had done the same with the previous map. Personally, I find it rediculous. Why can't we use county lines as district borders?

Because neutral approaches like that don't have a hope in heck with the highly partisan system in place. But you knew that already.

Neutrality and common sense have no place here!

 

[dmcowen674]

Why is Delay above the Law?

9-13-2006 Texas court to reconsider DeLay charge

AUSTIN, Texas - The state's highest criminal appeals court said Wednesday it would consider reinstating a conspiracy charge against former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, further delaying his felony money laundering trial.
A Travis County grand jury indicted DeLay and two political consultants last year on charges stemming from Republican fundraising during the 2002 legislative races.
Both sides will be given time to file their arguments with the Court of Criminal Appeals, which will then set a date for oral arguments.

A ruling is not likely to come before next year, said Ed Marty, general counsel to the court.


A state district court judge later threw out one of two conspiracy charges.

 

[wetech]

I swear, each one of your posts makes less sense then the one before it.

You're saying Delay is above the law because prosecutors want to add another charge to the proceedings?

 

[conehead433]

Why the delay?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Why is Delay above the Law?

9-13-2006 Texas court to reconsider DeLay charge

AUSTIN, Texas - The state's highest criminal appeals court said Wednesday it would consider reinstating a conspiracy charge against former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, further delaying his felony money laundering trial.
A Travis County grand jury indicted DeLay and two political consultants last year on charges stemming from Republican fundraising during the 2002 legislative races.
Both sides will be given time to file their arguments with the Court of Criminal Appeals, which will then set a date for oral arguments.

A ruling is not likely to come before next year, said Ed Marty, general counsel to the court.


A state district court judge later threw out one of two conspiracy charges.

From the start of this mess Delay has asked for a fast trial. He wanted a trial last year so he could get it out of the way and go on with being a congressman.

Early on, DeLay had hoped to have the case resolved quickly so he could regain his leadership position in Congress. But with his resignation behind him, he is working on a book that he says will address how his career "furthered the conservative cause" and helped change the culture of Washington.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conehead433
Why the delay?

Exactly

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CPA
lol, Dave your so funny. Where are your articles when the Dems did the same thing in 1990. You should see some of the districting that is around the Houston Area. It's absurd. Look at Democrat Gene Green's district and tell me that isn't gerrymandering. Notice that area in the NW that is almost encircled by Green's district. That is Kingwood, 90% republican. Convenient that when that district was designed it went around it, don't ya think.

Hmmmmm 1990, that was before I gave a flip about Politics which did not occur until I was in jail because of Politics.

If the Dems did that now I would chastize them just as much.

This is by far the most interesting thing Dave has said since i started reading P&N - and probably the most true!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CPA
lol, Dave your so funny. Where are your articles when the Dems did the same thing in 1990. You should see some of the districting that is around the Houston Area. It's absurd. Look at Democrat Gene Green's district and tell me that isn't gerrymandering. Notice that area in the NW that is almost encircled by Green's district. That is Kingwood, 90% republican. Convenient that when that district was designed it went around it, don't ya think.

Hmmmmm 1990, that was before I gave a flip about Politics which did not occur until I was in jail because of Politics.

If the Dems did that now I would chastize them just as much.

I guess you want Texas to return to democratic gerrymandering that put more democrats in office than republicas. Nothing wrong with that except statewide election are going for the most part to republicans. Is the political freedom and honesty in elections you seek?

Well, I'm not from Texas, but don't you think politicians that atually respect and obey the laws they are sworn to uphold would be a nice start??