Tom Cruise is leaving Scientology

UglyCasanova

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He's finally fed up


Nut case for even joining, but hey people do stupid things. Good for him for calling it quits even if they retaliate by throwing all of his dirt in the open. Jon Travolta next?
 

MongGrel

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Yeah saw that the other day.

Wasn't in the mood to start a thread I guess.
 

TwiceOver

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Next week: "Scientology goes under after loss of revenue, reveals ponzi scheme everyone said it was."
 

GagHalfrunt

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Is there an actual source with a shred of credibility? It seems to be everyone is citing an article from The Star which only uses an anonymous source. Cruise is so linked to Scientology that I can't imagine his walking away that easily. Whatever problems he had, they'd fix to keep him. He's the face of the brand.
 

mmntech

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Scientology has finally gotten too crazy for even Tom Cruise. I find it hilarious that they feel so threatened by a little girl who just wants to be with her daddy. Yet it's also rather sickening at the same time. Classic cult indoctrination technique though. If it's true, there will be some serious backlash. All Cruise's dirty laundry is going to get aired. Hope he's prepared for that.

Jon Travolta next?

John Travolta just needs to come to terms with his love for delicious man meat. He'd probably get more respect in Hollywood if he just came out of the closet.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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It's not like his brain power, personality or, acumen suddenly got better because he left the cult.
 

Charmonium

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Scientology has finally gotten too crazy for even Tom Cruise. I find it hilarious that they feel so threatened by a little girl who just wants to be with her daddy. Yet it's also rather sickening at the same time. Classic cult indoctrination technique though. If it's true, there will be some serious backlash. All Cruise's dirty laundry is going to get aired. Hope he's prepared for that.



John Travolta just needs to come to terms with his love for delicious man meat. He'd probably get more respect in Hollywood if he just came out of the closet.
Doesn't Scientology actively court big stars? If the church was courting him in the late 80's and early 90's (according to the article he joined in the early 90's) then Cruise was already a pretty big star by that point. It's easy to belong to a cult when they're constantly kissing your ass and telling you how special and great you are. I think a lot of people who get into acting in the first place do it because they crave that sort of attention.

And let's face it, if you're subjected to propaganda long enough without any information to contradict it - which pretty much by definition is what religion of any kind is about - it's easy to get swept up in it as long as it doesn't force you to make any hard choices.

As for Travolta, I would bet that he doesn't think of himself as gay. He probably thinks 'well, just because I like some dick doesn't make me gay.' Yes John. Yes it does - or at least bisexual. If he could just admit how he feels to himself, coming out probably wouldn't be a big deal. I think his problem is that he can't admit it, even to himself.
 

lxskllr

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He's finally fed up


Nut case for even joining, but hey people do stupid things. Good for him for calling it quits even if they retaliate by throwing all of his dirt in the open. Jon Travolta next?

You're too generous. Excuses can be made for belonging to old religions. People have done the same thing for generations, so they keep doing it without giving it much thought. They were indoctrinated as kids, and just kept going. There's little excuse for a grown man joining something like scientology other than mental defect, or persistent ruffie poisoning.
 

manimal

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Public perception and the misgivings about Miscabbage have started to tumble.


Hollywood is a very tight nit community and scientology is deeply rooted into its core as large swaths of agents and actors and producers from A list all the way down to extras all are in on the scheme.

Even a mediocre actor like Jason Lee is gonna start getting a shit ton of bad press because he divorced his wife because she read an exerpt of an anti scientology book.


These people are now in the light and the weaker ones who were not really into it but fearful for their careers are starting to bolt.


Its gonna be delicious.
 

JEDIYoda

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Is there an actual source with a shred of credibility? It seems to be everyone is citing an article from The Star which only uses an anonymous source. Cruise is so linked to Scientology that I can't imagine his walking away that easily. Whatever problems he had, they'd fix to keep him. He's the face of the brand.
Little bit dense are you!!!
 

smackababy

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I don't get the hate on Scientology beyond hate for normal organize sky wizardry worship. I mean, if I was apt to believe in nonsense, I'd certainly prefer it be something science fiction based. Guy stabbed with a spear and a talking snake? No thanks. Give me aliens and a space ship!
 

alcoholbob

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And I am becoming a millionaire, but taking my time..

Herbert Hoover once said "If a man has not made a million dollars by the time he is forty, he is not worth much."

Although at the time he said this a million dollars would be worth about $175 million today.

Best hurry up and make your first million before the most it buys you is a roll of toilet paper!
 

disappoint

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You're too generous. Excuses can be made for belonging to old religions. People have done the same thing for generations, so they keep doing it without giving it much thought. They were indoctrinated as kids, and just kept going. There's little excuse for a grown man joining something like scientology other than mental defect, or persistent ruffie poisoning.

LOL! From your posts on here so far that I have seen you're a very smart fellow, so I am fairly certain you're capable of understanding, but perhaps you're missing some key information.

For example did you know that L. Ron Hubbard started out as a hypnotist?

If it's a mental defect as you call it then a whole LOT of people have this 'mental defect'.

I would call it a feature of the mind rather than a defect. Some just know how to use it better and some even exploit it.

A little hint: The hypnotic state bypasses the conscious mind where critical thinking takes place.
 

disappoint

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If you don't already know about this here is a good link to how Hubbard was able to dupe so many people. Written by an ex-scientologist:

http://www.alanzosblog.com/how-l-ron-hubbard-tricked-you-scientology-and-hypnosis/

And just in case something happens to that site, or you want to read it here because you don't want to go to another site I'll quote some of it here:

Anyone who has read anything about hypnosis from a source other than L Ron Hubbard can see that auditing produces a hypnotic state and makes a Scientologist highly suggestible. Here’s a good place to start to learn about what hypnosis really is: Scientific American

And here’s a good definition of the term by the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis:
From their website:
“Definition of Hypnosis
Hypnosis is a state of inner absorption, concentration and focused attention. It is like using a magnifying glass to focus the rays of the sun and make them more powerful. Similarly, when our minds are concentrated and focused, we are able to use our minds more powerfully. Because hypnosis allows people to use more of their potential, learning self-hypnosis is the ultimate act of self-control.”
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“Practitioners use clinical hypnosis in three main ways. First, they encourage the use of imagination. Mental imagery is very powerful, especially in a focused state of attention. The mind seems capable of using imagery, even if it is only symbolic, to assist us in bringing about the things we are imagining. For example, a patient with ulcerative colitis may be asked to imagine what his/her distressed colon looks like. If she imagines it as being like a tunnel, with very red, inflamed walls that are rough in texture, the patient may be encouraged in hypnosis (and in self-hypnosis) to imagine this image changing to a healthy one.’
“A second basic hypnotic method is to present ideas or suggestions to the patient. In a state of concentrated attention, ideas and suggestions that are compatible with what the patient wants seem to have a more powerful impact on the mind.’

“Finally, hypnosis may be used for unconscious exploration, to better understand underlying motivations or identify whether past events or experiences are associated with causing a problem. Hypnosis avoids the critical censor of the conscious mind, which often defeats what we know to be in our best interests. The effectiveness of hypnosis appears to lie in the way in which it bypasses the critical observation and interference of the conscious mind, allowing the client’s intentions for change to take effect.’

A Scientologist will recognize each of those applications above as very familiar parts of auditing.
Hubbard mis-defined hypnosis and made it this VERY BAD thing over there, while making auditing very different and a VERY GOOD thing over here.
This is using misdirection, which Hubbard was very good at and used often in Scientology materials.

Auditing came straight from techniques of hypnosis, and auditing, I believe, is correctly categorized as a highly developed form of hypno-therapy.

The trouble in recognizing this while being a Scientologist lies in these misdirections. Hubbard told them that hypnosis was a state of unconsciousness and that during hypnosis you would not remember what the hypnotist did or said. This only happens very occasionally during hypnosis sessions. Most often during hypnosis, the client is completely awake and aware, and able to recall everything that went on in the session.

That fact is that during many auditing sessions, the same thing happens to the PC. But Hubbard explained this away by calling these times of unconsciousness during auditing sessions “boil off”. He told Scientologists that they were “boiling off” deposits of unconsciousness out of their minds during these periods in auditing and it was very therapeutic for them. He masked what was going on by assigning a different cause to it – another misdirection.

Hubbard told Scientologist that hypnosis makes you more and more unconscious and auditing makes you more and more awake and aware. So Scientologists believe that hypnosis is a robot-making procedure with all kinds of “woo-woo” weirdo feelings and states of mind.
The fact is that hypnotic states aren’t weirdo “woo-woo” states at all.
Anyone is very familiar with them.
For instance, have you ever become totally absorbed in a really good movie? It could be three hours long and, when the movie is over, you had no idea the time had passed. You kind of “wake up” when the movie ends and start looking around and realize that you have been somewhere else the whole time.

That is a characteristic of a hypnotic state.

In that state of mind, you are not unaware, or unconscious, at all.
Instead, you are VERY aware and VERY conscious of ONE THING, to the exclusion of ALL OTHER THINGS in the environment.

Just like being really IN SESSION with a good auditor.

That’s why LRH isolated the Training Routines (TRs), which are communication skills that auditors use to keep a pc “in session” and placed so much emphasis on them. They were so important because TRs serve as the vital skill necessary to keep the pc “interested in own case and willing to talk to the auditor” (the definition of IN SESSION).

So, the state of being IN SESSION is a trance or hypnotic state.
Along with the social coercion techniques that Hubbard built into Scientology like:

  • The emphasis on statistics and tying these to your “ethical” state
  • The enforced disconnection from dissidents
  • The screaming at juniors
  • The elitist hierarchies which can not be questioned
  • The forced confessionals for any doubt or dissidence
I think that the hypnotic nature of auditing served to soften up Scientologists so that his positive suggestions, and enforced suggestions, would take hold more deeply.
Hubbard was a hypnotist.
He knew what he was doing...
 
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