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GREAT football player or GREATEST football player?
GREAT football player or GREATEST football player?
Tom Brady wins NFL MVP award
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Hopefully Moss ... Obviously this was Brady's award, but Moss will probably never get the credit he deserves.
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3182557
GREAT football player or GREATEST football player?
Great. There is no greatest, it's just immeasurable.
If I had to make my argument, though, it would still be Barry Sanders. He managed to do all that he did with nobody around him.
Football's ultimately a team sport, though, and the best players might stink up the joint with a horrible supporting cast. Brady should wake up every day and thank God he was drafted in New England, by an organization who seriously wants to win every year.
Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: Phokus
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3182557
GREAT football player or GREATEST football player?
Great. There is no greatest, it's just immeasurable.
If I had to make my argument, though, it would still be Barry Sanders. He managed to do all that he did with nobody around him.
Football's ultimately a team sport, though, and the best players might stink up the joint with a horrible supporting cast. Brady should wake up every day and thank God he was drafted in New England, by an organization who seriously wants to win every year.
One 30+ TD season won't cut it either. There's a certain other active QB that might take offense at calling Brady the greatest.
It depends on Moss. If Brady gets to throw to him for 4-5 more years, he's definitely in the conversation. Moss made Cunningham and Culpepper look like Hall of Famers, why not Brady?
Otto Graham > Tom Brady. Took his team to ten straight championships, and won seven.
As far as the greatest football player ever there are other QBs, and others that played a different position, ahead of Brady but it's a moot point, he was easily the NFL MVP this season.
As far as the greatest football player ever there are other QBs, and others that played a different position, ahead of Brady but it's a moot point, he was easily the NFL MVP this season.
The only thing that is laughably stupid is your dismissal of Graham, way to display your ignorance of NFL history. Otto Graham was decades ahead of his time, playing in an offensive scheme later refined under Walsh and known today as the west coast offense. He still holds the highest average gain in NFL history. Brady would need to throw 70 tds and maintain a QB rating of 130+ to separate himself from his peers in the same manner that Graham did in his time. They do have a formula for converting stats from that era to compare to todays game, Brady and the rest fall WAY short of Graham when that is factored into the equation.
His career QB rating before Brady had this fantastic season was almost equal, and he certainly did not play in an era that favored the passing offense. The ten straight championship appearances and seven victories speak for themselves. He also finished third in the Heisman voting as a tailback, returned punts for the Browns, and won an NBA Championship, make that 8 titles in 11 years lol. Not taking anything away from Brady, he is undoubtably one of the top big game QB's in history, but whether we are talking QB or overall athlete, Graham beats his dick in the dirt.
http://sandbox.pro-football-re...players/G/GrahOt00.htm
http://www.pro-football-refere...players/B/BradTo00.htm
http://www.helium.com/tm/68662...ndefeated-quarterbacks
Interesting stat in the inset:
Year.....MVP...........................Postseason Result
2007.....Tom Brady................. ?
2006.....LaDainian Tomlinson... L, Divisional Rd
2005.....Shaun Alexander........ L, Super Bowl
2004.....Peyton Manning.......... L, Divisional Rd
2003.....Peyton Manning.......... L, AFC Champ.
............Steve McNair.............. L, Divisional Rd
2002.....Rich Gannon............... L, Super Bowl
2001.....Kurt Warner............... L, Super Bowl
2000.....Marshall Faulk............ L, Wild Card
Year.....MVP...........................Postseason Result
2007.....Tom Brady................. ?
2006.....LaDainian Tomlinson... L, Divisional Rd
2005.....Shaun Alexander........ L, Super Bowl
2004.....Peyton Manning.......... L, Divisional Rd
2003.....Peyton Manning.......... L, AFC Champ.
............Steve McNair.............. L, Divisional Rd
2002.....Rich Gannon............... L, Super Bowl
2001.....Kurt Warner............... L, Super Bowl
2000.....Marshall Faulk............ L, Wild Card
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
You can always count on Alistar7 to be all sunshine and sparkles in threads about the Pats.
Just as you can easily count on Pats fanbois to overlooks the props given and be defensive for no reason. O/P asked if Brady was the greatest football player, he is not even the greatest QB let alone all around player.
Yep, Pats fan are generally obnoxious.
He is the MVP, easily. What I dont understand, is why Bill was coach of the year. I mean, he cheated. And knowingly too. You cant read that rule once, and not know what it ment. Yet he said he was not clear on the meaning. Riiiiight. But hey, winning erases all, no matter if he cheated, or not.
He is the MVP, easily. What I dont understand, is why Bill was coach of the year. I mean, he cheated. And knowingly too. You cant read that rule once, and not know what it ment. Yet he said he was not clear on the meaning. Riiiiight. But hey, winning erases all, no matter if he cheated, or not.
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
You can always count on Alistar7 to be all sunshine and sparkles in threads about the Pats.
Just as you can easily count on Pats fanbois to overlooks the props given and be defensive for no reason.
Why don't you quote everything you typed? Such as the first 95% of your post where you do your best to diminish Brady. Here, I'll do it for you.
Your compliments always have conditions attached to them. You come in looking for an argument, then cite how all along you never intended to be such a ninny.
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Please do show this formula - I'd really love to see how they compare ottos 88-94 TD-INT ratio with brady's, aikmans, montanas, farves, marinos, etc, etc. That has to be some interesting math right there.
I will agree though that until brady retires and we see a full list of his accomplishments alongside manning and all the others active he is not the GREATEST.
There was no condition attached to them, they stand on their own. He is one of the best big game QBs in history and easily this years MVP. WTF is conditional about that, nothing.
O/P also asked if he was the greatest, I offered my opinion. I answered the topic at hand and did not come looking for an arguement, unlike yourself who only offered a personal attack.
O/P also asked if he was the greatest, I offered my opinion. I answered the topic at hand and did not come looking for an arguement, unlike yourself who only offered a personal attack.
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