Toilet tank question: Where's the fill hose supposed to go?

[Jeff7]

Edit: The issue's been figured out. Head on down to post #10.



I've got a 1.28GPF Jacuzzi Perfecta toilet here at my parents' house. The refill hose came loose a week or two ago from its perch above the overflow pipe, and started spraying all over the inside of the tank. The plastic clip is very weak, so the pressure easily blasted it away.
Scroll down here to the first image. The "Clip to top of overflow tube" is what came loose.

Check this page for a photo of someone else's installation.
The last photo before the comments shows the fill hose at the upper-right corner, positioned outside of the overflow pipe.
Which way is correct though?
This video shows the hose running into the pipe.

Other photos I've seen show it filling into that vertical pipe.
Problem is, if I put the hose filling into the pipe, it seems like it just goes directly down the drain and doesn't fill the tank. It looks like that's the overflow pipe, and it's supposed to do that.

I can leave it run for 10 minutes and the water level doesn't change at all. It's not leaking out of the flapper, as there's an inch or so of water still in the tank, and it doesn't budge, up or down.

The only way to get the tank to fill is to put the hose into the tank, but then the bowl doesn't seem to fill normally. Should the tank be filling from elsewhere? I've really never had to service a toilet with this particular issue.

 

[edro]

It goes in the pipe on every fill valve I have ever installed.
The tube water goes into the bowl to fill it up.

The water in the tank comes from elsewhere in the valve assembly (looks like a trickle).
It comes from various places in the assembly based on which model you use.
Most I have seen come from under the cap at the top of the assembly and trickle down.

 

[pcgeek11]

It goes in the pipe on every fill valve I have ever installed.
The tube water goes into the bowl to fill it up.

The water in the tank comes from elsewhere in the valve assembly (looks like a trickle).
It comes from various places in the assembly based on which model you use.
Most I have seen come from under the cap at the top of the assembly and trickle down.

This: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://web.mit.edu/2.972/www/reports/toilet/toilet.html

This youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAxAyoSMQhI watch at about 45 seconds and you will see how the water fills the tank.

 

[Jeff7]

It goes in the pipe on every fill valve I have ever installed.
The tube water goes into the bowl to fill it up.

The water in the tank comes from elsewhere in the valve assembly (looks like a trickle).
It comes from various places in the assembly based on which model you use.
Most I have seen come from under the cap at the top of the assembly and trickle down.

Ok.

If that's the case, that means that most of the water should be filling into the tank from elsewhere in the assembly, with only a small amount coming out of the refill hose for the bowl.

Plausible?: Something failed or got clogged elsewhere in the filling assembly, which left the full force of the water to blast through the barely-attached reflow tube, causing it to jet away from its weak mounting.

This: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://web.mit.edu/2.972/www/reports/toilet/toilet.html

This youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAxAyoSMQhI watch at about 45 seconds and you will see how the water fills the tank.

I had seen that video, and saw a little blue arrow coming out the base of the portion with the float on it.

But, some of those diagrams and animations are made by a graphics person, and aren't properly audited by anyone with technical knowledge, so I'm never sure if I can trust them. A company once sent me a drawing of an aluminum extrusion, with only two dimensions on the PDF vector drawing: 1.500 and 0.900". Except that the 0.900" dimension line was longer than the 1.500" line, and the final part was about 20% thicker than the drawing had shown. I would have thought that they'd have used the drawing direct from the CAD department, but I guess not. Some graphics people take a lot of liberties.

 

[Micrornd]

The last photo before the comments shows the fill hose at the upper-right corner, positioned outside of the overflow pipe.
Which way is correct though?

Well, read the comments there for the answer.

 

[zardthebuilder]

i have had good results with Fluidmaster Fill Valves with roller clamps (blue thing in the picture). they do have a cheap feel to them, so maybe someone else knows of a better quality fill valve with roller clamps. not sure if you can buy roller clamps separately.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fluidmaster-Leak-Sentry-Water-Saving-Fill-Valve-400LSRP14/100393067

 

[edro]

$20 will get you a complete new Fluidmaster or Korky valve/float/flapper assembly.
Just replace the whole damn thing. They are meant to be replaced.

 

[Jeff7]

Well, read the comments there for the answer.

Yes, I suppose I could do that.
I instinctively avoid comment sections these days. A discussion about bathroom fixtures can quickly turn into an argument about Muslims, Obama, or Jesus.

i have had good results with Fluidmaster Fill Valves with roller clamps (blue thing in the picture). they do have a cheap feel to them, so maybe someone else knows of a better quality fill valve with roller clamps. not sure if you can buy roller clamps separately.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fluidmaster-Leak-Sentry-Water-Saving-Fill-Valve-400LSRP14/100393067

Lots of 1-star reviews on Amazon?
40 reviews. 30% 5-star, 50% 1-star.
?

 

[Micrornd]

Yes, I suppose I could do that.
I instinctively avoid comment sections these days. A discussion about bathroom fixtures can quickly turn into an argument about Muslims, Obama, or Jesus.

Had you read them, you would not of had any question, as the poster admitted he screwed up and put the hose on wrong when he was called on it.

I do agree, religion discussions are pretty much in the toilet these days.

 

[Jeff7]

Had you read them, you would not of had any question, as the poster admitted he screwed up and put the hose on wrong when he was called on it.

I do agree, religion discussions are pretty much in the toilet these days.

Yeah.....ok. Oops.
It's kind of like the sponsored links in Google search results: It's like I don't even see them anymore, they're automatically mentally filtered out.


So, since it should just get replaced: What's a good brand of toilet filler thing that'll last awhile and work well? The 1-star ratings at Amazon for the Fluidmaster thing make it seem like it's a 50/50 chance if it'll work well.




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[boomerang]

What's a good brand of toilet filler thing that'll last awhile and work well?

I really like the Korky line of products. I had to replace both fill valves on the toilets at a second home we bought and went with Korky on the first to see if I liked it. I liked it so much so that I put one in the second toilet too. They are quiet and fill the bowl and tank very quickly.

http://www.korky.com/toilet-fill-valve-replacement