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Today, Verizon deserves a rant.

jonnyGURU

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I work for a phone vendor.

One of our customers had six lines. They had six pair coming in from Verizon and then six pair going out to the equipment.

A few months back, they got rid of two of the six lines (down sizing.)

They recently experienced a growth spurt and asked Verizon to juice the two lines back up.

Instead of juicing up the same two pair that they had disconnected months earlier, they only juiced up one of the pairs. They used a second pair separate from the original six lines for the sixth line.

So now we essentially have seven pair coming in from Verizon, one pair dead, and six pair going to the equipment, one pair dead.

Needless to say, line six doesn't work and the Verizon guy claims not to know why. Right. :disgust:

So they call me, I show up and see that there's one pair terminated that's not hooked up to ANYTHING. Not even a bridge clip on the block to bridge the Verizon side to the equipment side. I know Verizon has no responsibility for inside wiring or inside equipment, but if you physically move where a line comes into the building from one pair to another, why play dumb?

I got my pair-spool and punch tool and I made a little jumper wire from the "new line 6" up to where the "old line 6" used to be. I do admit that I made this jumper wire on Verizon's side of the DeMarc and not on the equipment side because I didn't feel like wasting the $.01 on the pair of bridge clips just to entertain Verizon's arrogance. It "technically" doesn't make a difference, but Verizon is so anal that they want nothing on their side of a DeMarc but dial tone coming in from the street. Whatever. :disgust:

So now they have dial tone on line 6 and they can call out, but when they call the number Verizon tells them they've been issued for their sixth line, it just rings and rings and no appearance on the phone system lights up (and it's a key system so it's not like I have to program anything either.) Simply not my problem. If it was, I'd fix it... UNLIKE Verizon. I can make the phones work if I have everything I need from the phone company, but if the phone number isn't even ringing into the building, there's not much I can do.

I informed the customer that Verizon must not have ported the phone number over to that line (yes, you can have a live phone line without a phone number) and that all they should have to do is juice it up back at the central office switch.

Instead, they send a Verizon tech back out to the site. 😕

He gets there and immediately notices that I ran my jumper wire on Verizon's side of the DeMarc. He relocates the wire to the equipment side and tells the customer that it was because of that jumper wire the line wasn't ringing!! Funny. It took him two minutes to relocate my jumper wire, but he was on site for 10 minutes. What do you bet the other 8 minutes was spent on the phone with the switch asking them to heat up that line, but because he didn't want Verizon to look dumb two fold, he lied to the customer.

It's a good thing the customer believes me over Verizon or I would have made the special trip back over there just to leave a 10 1/2 Airwalk up the techs rear end!!! :| :| :| :|

 
Originally posted by: chowmein
i wish i still have a pair of airwalks. Verizon is the sux0rs


They still make shoes. Although they're not the canvas uppers with the skulls and spider-web designs on them like they were in the '80's.

Vans are still around too. But they're more conservative as well. In fact, I have a pair with gum rubber souls and brown suede uppers. They look almost like dress shoes except the have the trademark Van's waffle skateboarder tread on the bottom. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
corporations cheap out on customer service. Surprise!

What's funny is they "cheaped out" but SPENT MORE money on customer service!

If the guy did the job right the first time, they wouldn't have had to send him out the second time and I wouldn't have to go out there at all.

And then LIE to the customer?

That's just bad service in every way.

Maybe cheap because these are the best techs they could get for $6 an hour. Makes me wonder where the guys with a good head on their shoulders disappear to, because apparently they don't work for Verizon!
 
the verizon guy can get away with it because most people are like me and have no idea what the heck you're talking about. 😛

seriously, when our phone guy starts talking about technical stuff on our system my eyes start rolling back into my head after about a minute.
 
Originally posted by: Stark
the verizon guy can get away with it because most people are like me and have no idea what the heck you're talking about. 😛

seriously, when our phone guy starts talking about technical stuff on our system my eyes start rolling back into my head after about a minute.


Do you start foaming at the mouth? One guy I was talking to about the phone system did that to me. Eyes rolled up... Foam.... Someone grabbed a spoon and stuck it in his mouth. Not sure what happened beyond that as I just walked away.
 
Originally posted by: Stark
the verizon guy can get away with it because most people are like me and have no idea what the heck you're talking about. 😛

seriously, when our phone guy starts talking about technical stuff on our system my eyes start rolling back into my head after about a minute.

Nothing he said was technical stuff about a phone system.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Stark
the verizon guy can get away with it because most people are like me and have no idea what the heck you're talking about. 😛

seriously, when our phone guy starts talking about technical stuff on our system my eyes start rolling back into my head after about a minute.

Nothing he said was technical stuff about a phone system.


I still feel like a nerd for understanding it all, though. 😉

To the OP: I feel your pain. I'm glad i don't deal with phone systems anymore.
 
Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
And then LIE to the customer?
That's just bad service in every way.
But, you see, phone companies are set up to "service" the customer, if anything goes wrong, if you know what I mean. I think that you could get a straight answer out of the White House easier than you could the phone company.
Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Maybe cheap because these are the best techs they could get for $6 an hour. Makes me wonder where the guys with a good head on their shoulders disappear to, because apparently they don't work for Verizon!
From what I understand, most of them have been "outsourced", Verizon sub-contracts nearly everything these days, I don't know if they have much in the way of actual in-house employee techs at all these days. At least that's the picture I get from reading on the 0.verizon.adsl newsgroups. (Note that nothing posted there is official Verizon-speak, of course.)

Edit: One time I ordered residential service for a place that I had just moved into, on the east coast, and I was able to use the line to dial-out to my ISP, but I found out later that week that I couldn't recieve calls. Apparently, they had only half-connected my line, and I could make outgoing calls to the network, but could not recieve incoming ones. Interestingly, the line was very quiet, and when I realized the problem and had them correct it, my analog modem connect speeds actually went down a notch. :| Too bad those that primarily relied on analog dialup back in the day, couldn't intentionally order one of these sorts of "special" lines from the telco, in order to improve their connect speeds. (Obviously they screwed up something on the CO end with the line-card, similar to your issue I think.)
 
What REALLY sucks is even though they "broke up" Ma Bell and there supposedly isn't a "monopoly," there's STILL a monopoly!

Even if I switch over to FDN or XO, Verizon owns the copper! So when a guy comes out to terminate the circuit or anything... it's going to be a Verizon hired chimp and not someone from FDN or XO or whoever! It's nuts!

But what could be worse? If the city owned the copper? The thought of that actually scares me. Especially after they (the city) dug up my front yard to install a sewer access and then "forgot" to put the yard back together when they were done! It took three phone calls to convince them my yard was still dug up! Did they want me to deliver photos with my next sewer bill or something?!!??!
 
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