Today is the day it's clear that P4EE is the winner - who cares about A64...old tech is faster..shame on AMD :/

[flexy]

sorry for this title...but according to some reviews (just overflew Tom's and the one pre-view from yesterday) it's clear that
TODAY is not the great day of a NEW, faster Athlon and 64 bit,
INSTEAD
it's the day of it's defeat...and in my opinion it's a shame some old technology like the P4EE (just some more cache) beats a CPU which is *released* this very minute...

I know this is not news, sorry fro re-iterating what has been said yesterday at night already...but still.....this reviews (ie. comparison P4EE <> A64) makes me VERY, very sad

greetings

 

[boyRacer]

uhhhh... i think you should read the other reviews because the results are highly dependent on the application but its not a complete blowout for either one.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: boyRacer
uhhhh... i think you should read the other reviews because the results are highly dependent on the application but its not a complete blowout for either one.

i will as soon as i am home...but P4EE is performance king according to Tom...uhm....

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: boyRacer
uhhhh... i think you should read the other reviews because the results are highly dependent on the application but its not a complete blowout for either one.

i will as soon as i am home...but P4EE is performance king according to Tom...uhm....

tom also put a fx5900 in his highest performance system

 

[sharkeeper]

tom also put a fx5900 in his highest performance system

Because it's (currently) the highest performing card available today. No surprises.

Cheers!

 

[Regs]

O boy, way to start a AMD vs Intel thread right off the bat!

*bookmarks this thread.

 

[Rectalfier]

Huh? The Athlon FX beats or equals the P4EE overclocked to 3.6Ghz. The Athlon65 3200 runs toe to toe with the vanilla P4 3.2. This is going by Tom's benchmarks.

 

[Lint21]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam

tom also put a fx5900 in his highest performance system

Because it's (currently) the highest performing card available today. No surprises. Cheers!

Sure, if you're using it to dig a tunnel to Australia. The ATI cards break after three digs at the dirt.

Cheers!

 

[DaveSimmons]

The P4EE is just a FSB-overclocked Xeon with ECC turned off, so we'll have to wait and see whether it's a reliable chip or another P3 1.13 GHz that only runs stably enough to survive product reviews (but not real-world use).

The mainstream A64 looks like a pretty good chip for $500, and is much more worthy of a "3200+" label than its Barton predecessor, though its slower than a P4 3.0 in some games and priced $100 more. It would be a much more compelling buy at $350-400. The lack of a good nforce mobo for it is another handicap, since some of us just don't like via.

 

[Is]

You know, it's not all about who performs best in the benchmarks right now. It's no surprise the P4 EE beats the A64, because the A64 is really just an XP, in this context. It's running in 32-bit mode. AMD wins because they've got a 64-bit processor out the door now. When there is a 64-bit OS, and 64-bit applications, AMD will have the advantage because they will have a matured hardware platform, while Intel will still be ironing out the problems that always come along with a new architecture. They might screw it up anyway, or intel just might do the 64-bit thing so well that it won't matter, but AMD didn't lose anything because it was never the objective to be the 32-bit performance king.

 

[sharkeeper]

Sure, if you're using it to dig a tunnel to Australia. The ATI cards break after three digs at the dirt.

Cry me a river!

I have both cards w/256MB of RAM. My wife has the 9800 Pro, she plays Q3 occasionally. The 5900Ultra is most definitely faster in 2D and any game that I run hands down. I compared both cards tirelessly. Video playback on the ATi appears slightly better than the 5900 however. So what if the 5900U is slower on a game that you cannot even purchase yet! When it comes out, if I like it I will buy it! I spend $12k a year on dining out, another $450 for a video card isn't really the end of the world!

Cheers!

 

[Lint21]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam

Sure, if you're using it to dig a tunnel to Australia. The ATI cards break after three digs at the dirt.

Cry me a river! I have both cards w/256MB of RAM. My wife has the 9800 Pro, she plays Q3 occasionally. The 5900Ultra is most definitely faster in 2D and any game that I run hands down. I compared both cards tirelessly. Video playback on the ATi appears slightly better than the 5900 however. So what if the 5900U is slower on a game that you cannot even purchase yet! When it comes out, if I like it I will buy it! I spend $12k a year on dining out, another $450 for a video card isn't really the end of the world! Cheers!

GO BACK TO RUSSIA!!!

Cheers!

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam

Sure, if you're using it to dig a tunnel to Australia. The ATI cards break after three digs at the dirt.

Cry me a river!

I have both cards w/256MB of RAM. My wife has the 9800 Pro, she plays Q3 occasionally. The 5900Ultra is most definitely faster in 2D and any game that I run hands down. I compared both cards tirelessly. Video playback on the ATi appears slightly better than the 5900 however. So what if the 5900U is slower on a game that you cannot even purchase yet! When it comes out, if I like it I will buy it! I spend $12k a year on dining out, another $450 for a video card isn't really the end of the world!

Cheers!

Congratulations


Cheers!

 

[Adul]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1884&p=11

i beg to differ

 

[Regs]

Dude I'm so freaken excited and hyper I can't even read that article Adul.

*Hits himself with a hammer....

clawhammer ohhhh damnit!

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Adul
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1884&p=11

i beg to differ

When it comes down to recommendations, the Athlon 64 offers very compelling performance at a much more reasonable price point than the Athlon 64 FX. We cannot recommend the FX until AMD does release a version with unbuffered memory support and we would strongly suggest waiting until the Socket-939 version is released if you are considering the FX.

AMD is SOL. Prescott will dominate come Dec 3 2003, and there wont be a 64bit OS or many 64bit apps until mid Q2'04. The EE is a stop gap measure for Intel, that solves to problems, the A64, and the high costs of Xeon MPs. And it solves both problems nicely.

 

[Regs]

digitalsm, stop being such a kill joy! Let me marvel . I mean... 30 more frames per second in splinter cell..

This is like New Years eve for a geek.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Regs
digitalsm, stop being such a kill joy! Let me marvel . I mean... 30 more frames per second in splinter cell..

This is like New Years eve for a geek.

except there are no presents for you

 

[Sunny129]

Originally posted by: Lint21

Originally posted by: shuttleteam

Sure, if you're using it to dig a tunnel to Australia. The ATI cards break after three digs at the dirt.

Cry me a river! I have both cards w/256MB of RAM. My wife has the 9800 Pro, she plays Q3 occasionally. The 5900Ultra is most definitely faster in 2D and any game that I run hands down. I compared both cards tirelessly. Video playback on the ATi appears slightly better than the 5900 however. So what if the 5900U is slower on a game that you cannot even purchase yet! When it comes out, if I like it I will buy it! I spend $12k a year on dining out, another $450 for a video card isn't really the end of the world! Cheers!

GO BACK TO RUSSIA!!!

Cheers!

you'd think we could have a civilized conversation...

its not so much the fact that ATI will be better in HL2 which you can't even purchase yet. rather its the fact that ATI will be better in all upcoming DX9 based games, especially in 3D IQ. with AA/AF enabled, nVidia will take a significant performance hit, while ATI won't. and nVidia isn't sacrificing performance for IQ here. just incase you didn't notice, IQ sucks w/ their 50.xx whatever drivers, and even w/ their beta 60.xx drivers. if you found that 2D IQ is better on the 5900U than the 9800pro, more power to you. i hope you use alot of 2D apps on your system. today's talked about cards are being marketed to appeal to 3D gamers amd application users...they only invest in 2D IQ b/c even 3D users can't play games or work in autoCAD 24/7. by the way, there is a company out there devoted to top of the line 2D image quality...its called Matrox. if you don't use 3D games or apps, then Matrox gives the best 2D IQ to date, and has been for the past several years. but if you want to future proof yourself against the deluge of DX9 games and apps, go with ATI.

By the way, i think Tom might have an engineering sample 5900U in his machine. i don't think he'd be using a retail or OEM version over a 9800pro.

EDIT: hey, you know what? this thread is about AMD vs. Intel...and somehow we got off on an nVidia vs. ATI tangent. anyways, back to AMD vs. Intel. sorry for hijacking the thread everyone...

 

[ElFenix]

tom's sure does look that way but is prescott gonna have 2 megs of L3 cache as well? i skimmed the benches as well and usually the p4 was a percent or three ahead, no big deal. then i realized he'd overclocked the thing and didn't mark very well which was the commercialized one and which was the hypothetical overlcok.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: flexy
sorry for this title...but according to some reviews (just overflew Tom's and the one pre-view from yesterday) it's clear that
TODAY is not the great day of a NEW, faster Athlon and 64 bit,
INSTEAD
it's the day of it's defeat...and in my opinion it's a shame some old technology like the P4EE (just some more cache) beats a CPU which is *released* this very minute...

I know this is not news, sorry fro re-iterating what has been said yesterday at night already...but still.....this reviews (ie. comparison P4EE <> A64) makes me VERY, very sad

greetings

I suggest you read more reviews..... In fact, I would think the opposite, that the Athlon 64 and 64 FX are the clear victors....

 

[sharkeeper]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1884&p=11

i beg to differ

Problem is businesses seldom purchase the highest end stuff. Most people that have 1 GHz/256MB are satisfied and will be for some time.

I agree, AMD is in for a rough road ahead.

Cheers!

 

[SithSolo1]

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would use Tom's anything as the main support for their argument's foundation. :disgust:

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SithSolo1
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would use Tom's anything as the main support for their argument's foundation. :disgust:

That's like trusting Bush when it comes to finding WMD in Iraq

 

[Lyfer]

Intel wins the majority of the benchmarks. So its faster. I dunno how you can argue this unless you plan to use the A64 in something that its known to be faster in.


I think the real argument should be who overclocks better, the P4 EE or the Athlon 64.