Today is one of the happiest days of my life

[acemcmac]

My girlfriend, who usually when speaking of politics and religion makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon has done a 180 on this morning's news from the Vatican.

Apparantly a lot of Catholics (she goes to a Cathoic college where this was all the buzz this morning) on hearing the news that the Vatican sees no disagreement between Darwin's theory of evolution and a reasonable interpretation of Genesis are making huge about-faces and suddenly agreeing that evolution is probably how we came to exist (even if it was God's will to begin with).

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html

Sorry if this was the wrong forum, but I was wondering if anyone else recieved a pleasant surprise this morning when close friends who were formerly Genesis literalists gave it up on the news....

Cliffs:
1) GF started breathing through her nose
2) I am very happy that my GF has joined the 20th century
3) Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

 

[robphelan]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
My girlfriend, who usually when speaking of politics and religion makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon has done a 180 on this morning's news from the Vatican.

Apparantly a lot of Catholics (she goes to a Cathoic college where this was all the buzz this morning) on hearing the news that the Vatican sees no disagreement between Darwin's theory of evolution and a reasonable interpretation of Genesis are making huge about-faces and suddenly agreeing that evolution is probably how we came to exist (even if it was God's will to begin with).

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html

Sorry if this was the wrong forum, but I was wondering if anyone else recieved a pleasant surprise this morning when close friends who were formerly Genesis literalists gave it up on the news....

Cliffs:
1) GF started breathing through her nose
2) I am very happy that my GF has joined the 20th century
3) Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

tell her she's still behind.. it's now the 21st century

 

[mzkhadir]

how about a ?

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: robphelan
tell her she's still behind.. it's now the 21st century

I know, I'm still trying to get her to do more with the computer other than IM and email....

apparantly she drops and adds all of her classes by paper :shocked:

 

[TheTony]

Um, no.

Seems to me most Catholics understand and accept evolution as a scientific theory and recently it's been publicly discussed by more higher profile persons within the Catholic Church. Wasn't aware of the announcement, but with all the evangelical and fundamental Christian controversy over the topic, I understand perhaps it needed to be said.

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
My girlfriend, who usually when speaking of politics and religion makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon has done a 180 on this morning's news from the Vatican.

Apparantly a lot of Catholics (she goes to a Cathoic college where this was all the buzz this morning) on hearing the news that the Vatican sees no disagreement between Darwin's theory of evolution and a reasonable interpretation of Genesis are making huge about-faces and suddenly agreeing that evolution is probably how we came to exist (even if it was God's will to begin with).

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html

Sorry if this was the wrong forum, but I was wondering if anyone else recieved a pleasant surprise this morning when close friends who were formerly Genesis literalists gave it up on the news....

Cliffs:
1) GF started breathing through her nose
2) I am very happy that my GF has joined the 20th century
3) Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

LOL...just found that funny.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: TheTony
Um, no.

Seems to me most Catholics understand and accept evolution as a scientific theory and recently it's been publicly discussed by more higher profile persons within the Catholic Church. Wasn't aware of the announcement, but with all the evangelical and fundamental Christian controversy over the topic, I understand perhaps it needed to be said.

I was raised Catholic and I wasn't aware until well after I graduated high school that there were some people who didn't accept evolution... apparantly huge swaths of the Catholic population were having trouble with it too. I didn't realize that "higher profile persons within the Catholic Church" had already discussed it though.... got any links? I'm really interested in what they said...

 

[nakedfrog]

I thought this had been the Vatican's viewpoint for some time now?

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I thought this had been the Vatican's viewpoint for some time now?

if that's really true, I'm DYING for some links

 

[ValValline]

I never understood why evolution and creation had to be mutually exclusive.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: ValValline
I never understood why evolution and creation had to be mutually exclusive.

because you can't have life on earth before you have a sun...... it doesen't make any sense at all when you read Genisis literally

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: ValValline
I never understood why evolution and creation had to be mutually exclusive.

Exactly my thoughts. People take the Bible too literally, on both sides of the argument. As far as I know, millions of years could've gone by in those 7 "days" God took to create everything. Maybe he stopped for a breather, how are we to know? To me evolution was never a process by which we were created, but just how we changed and adapted better over time. God put the original seed here, it simply grew and spread as all life does.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: ValValline
I never understood why evolution and creation had to be mutually exclusive.

because you can't have life on earth before you have a sun...... it doesen't make any sense at all when you read Genisis literally

So life on earth came before the sun in genisis? I can't remember the order anymore.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: ValValline
I never understood why evolution and creation had to be mutually exclusive.

because you can't have life on earth before you have a sun...... it doesen't make any sense at all when you read Genisis literally

So life on earth came before the sun in genisis? I can't remember the order anymore.

there was a link to a cartoon strip of it in slashdot.... that's what I'm recalling from

 

[TheTony]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: TheTony
Um, no.

Seems to me most Catholics understand and accept evolution as a scientific theory and recently it's been publicly discussed by more higher profile persons within the Catholic Church. Wasn't aware of the announcement, but with all the evangelical and fundamental Christian controversy over the topic, I understand perhaps it needed to be said.

I was raised Catholic and I wasn't aware until well after I graduated high school that there were some people who didn't accept evolution... apparantly huge swaths of the Catholic population were having trouble with it too. I didn't realize that "higher profile persons within the Catholic Church" had already discussed it though.... got any links? I'm really interested in what they said...

If memory serves, there were a few bishops who've recently spoken up on the matter.

Additionally, John Paul has publicly acknowledged evolution. I think there's a 1996 speech he delivered which addressed it specifically.

It seems kind of silly to me, too, to take Genesis quite literally and not understanding the possibility for the two to coexist. I think that many Roman Catholics who deny evolution base their view of it from leaning to the Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian teaching that recently has gained momentum in the public eye.

I'll see what links I can find.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I thought this had been the Vatican's viewpoint for some time now?

if that's really true, I'm DYING for some links

Text
That one discusses it a bit. It mentions John Paul's 1996 acceptance, but I thought I'd seen similar stuff even earlier.
Another

 

[TheTony]

links:

http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Dossier/0102-97/Article3.html
http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp
http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=80 (address by Pope in 1996)

More links at http://www.silk.net/RelEd/scienceevo.htm

In the news earlier this year (re: the "higher profile persons"):

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0500591.htm

And for what it's worth, we're talking about the theory of evolution, not ideas like the Big Bang, as it relates to Creation. Two different discussions, though certainly able to be framed together.

 

[acemcmac]

woah, great links guys. I knew I was doing the right thing by not posting this in P&N. Thanks!

 

[PHiuR]

evolution = prob false.

 

[BriGy86]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
My girlfriend, who usually when speaking of politics and religion makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon has done a 180 on this morning's news from the Vatican.

Apparantly a lot of Catholics (she goes to a Cathoic college where this was all the buzz this morning) on hearing the news that the Vatican sees no disagreement between Darwin's theory of evolution and a reasonable interpretation of Genesis are making huge about-faces and suddenly agreeing that evolution is probably how we came to exist (even if it was God's will to begin with).

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html

Sorry if this was the wrong forum, but I was wondering if anyone else recieved a pleasant surprise this morning when close friends who were formerly Genesis literalists gave it up on the news....

Cliffs:
1) GF started breathing through her nose
2) I am very happy that my GF has joined the 20th century
3) Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

im not trying to offend you but let me get this straight,

the catholic church changes their views on something that has been argued about for years and now all the followers change with that?

sounds like a lot of people are like lemmings and not thinking for themselves

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: BriGy86

Originally posted by: acemcmac
My girlfriend, who usually when speaking of politics and religion makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon has done a 180 on this morning's news from the Vatican.

Apparantly a lot of Catholics (she goes to a Cathoic college where this was all the buzz this morning) on hearing the news that the Vatican sees no disagreement between Darwin's theory of evolution and a reasonable interpretation of Genesis are making huge about-faces and suddenly agreeing that evolution is probably how we came to exist (even if it was God's will to begin with).

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17162341-13762,00.html

Sorry if this was the wrong forum, but I was wondering if anyone else recieved a pleasant surprise this morning when close friends who were formerly Genesis literalists gave it up on the news....

Cliffs:
1) GF started breathing through her nose
2) I am very happy that my GF has joined the 20th century
3) Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

im not trying to offend you but let me get this straight,

the catholic church changes their views on something that has been argued about for years and now all the followers change with that?

sounds like a lot of people are like lemmings and not thinking for themselves

I'm not saying they aren't lemmings. I'm not into organized religion personally....

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: robphelan
tell her she's still behind.. it's now the 21st century

I know, I'm still trying to get her to do more with the computer other than IM and email....

apparantly she drops and adds all of her classes by paper :shocked:

LOL

 

[fbrdphreak]

I wonder if my mom's heard about this (catholic school teacher)

 

[vshah]

time for some celebratory lovin'

 

[Ausm]

I classify all religion as narrow minded but this is a step in the right direction if true

Ausm