Today I finished changing out 33 lightbulbs for CFLs.

SunnyD

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I swapped out about 20 incandescent bulbs a month or so ago, but left several fixtures that were used somewhat less or somewhat more inaccessible for later. Today was later, another 13 bulbs swapped. And the sad part is that I still haven't finished - I haven't swapped any of the closet bulbs out because I'm out of CFL's. I sell have 4 bulbs outside, then 7 closets, the pantry and one recessed light to swap out.

Yeah, that's a lot of watts.
 

Leros

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CFLs last forever.

I spent a ton of money and replaced all of my lightbulbs with GE brand CFLs. Took about a week before 1/3 of them were dead. A month later over 1/2 were dead. (I'm not using dimmers or anything).

I have not been happy with the results so far.
 

ultimatebob

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CFLs last forever.

I've blown out a few already in the few years that I used them, but not was many as I did with incandescent bulbs.

I found that you really want to avoid cheap CFL's... they either take forever to get to full brightness, or they cast an awful blue tint to everything in the room.
 

Jeff7

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I'll put in a plug for Litetronics' Neolites. I also had troubles with generic brands, including some from 1000bulbs.com, such as having 40% of a batch of about 12 die in less than 6 months, regardless of how often they were power cycled.
(My own informal testing, and some other data I've seen, shows that each power-on removes 35-60 minutes of life from a fluorescent tube.)

The Neolites have had a much lower failure rate, maybe 1-2 out of 20 over more than a year. Still certainly not exactly what I'd consider to be "good" though. My guess is that, in the interests of keeping the up-front cost low, manufacturers strip out things like filtering and spike protection. Consumers generally seem to care most about the sticker price, and not the fact that it won't be nearly as durable or long-lasting.
(Many people still think that rechargeable batteries aren't worth the cost, because a good charger may cost $40+, and the batteries are a few dollars each - completely ignoring the fact that they should be able to get 1000 uses out of a NiMH cell. By the time the batteries have paid for themselves and the charger, they'll still have a few hundred more charge cycles of life left. But oh look, those alkalines are soooo cheap!)


For that reason, I'm wary of the move to LED lighting. Sure the lights can last a long time, assuming they're properly driven and properly cooled. But if the power supply circuitry has no protection against irregularities in the incoming line voltage, or if it uses conventional electrolytic capacitors in a very hot location within the fixture, thus drying out their electrolyte more quickly, the unit could end up dying long before the LEDs reach their end of life.
Problem is, protection circuitry adds cost. Power circuitry without electrolytics adds cost. Using solid organic polymer electrolytics adds cost.

Cheap construction aside though, LED lights should easily be able to handle multiple power cycles. The emitters themselves don't care at all about power cycling, as evidenced by the fact that they can be cycled at a rate of hundreds or thousands of times per second using PWM.
While you can't do this to the 120VAC inputs of a power supply, you can feed a 0-10VDC or PWM signal to some supplies, and they will in turn translate that signal to their outputs to effect dimming on the LEDs.


(If LEDs are improperly driven, and inadequately cooled, you can be looking at dropping down to 50% brightness within 1000 hours, which the Department of Energy's testing has shown in some units. Some manufacturers really overdrive the LEDs for greater brightness, so the LEDs overheat and sustain damage, resulting in a very rapid decline in brightness.)
 
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Demo24

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Ironically the best CFl I've had is a freebie I got from Home Depot like 2-3 years ago. Turns on quick and has the right color. Others seem to blow out, which is annoying considering the cost.
 

Engineer

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CFLs last forever.

Seems to be hit or miss. The older, first generation ones seem to last much longer than the cheaper ones today. I've had some running for over 5 years and they are fine. I've had two of the new ones blow within 6 months of installing. One thing I've noticed is that the fixtures that have multiple bulbs tend to blow at least one or more at a huge rate compared to the single fixtures. Don't know if there is some sort of interference to each other or not...just something I've noticed.

I only have a few regular bulbs in my house (attic, over stove, fridge, etc).
 

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I found that you really want to avoid cheap CFL's... they either take forever to get to full brightness, or they cast an awful blue tint to everything in the room.

That has nothing to do with the cheapness of a bulb and everything to do with the color temperature it is rated. At work we use 5000K or higher for color matching (6700K is ideal but hard to find), and at home it's 3300K to 4000K. If there is no temperature rating, pay attention to the descriptions: "Warm" is at the lower end of the spectrum where "Daylight" is at the higher end.
 

Jeff7

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That has nothing to do with the cheapness of a bulb and everything to do with the color temperature it is rated. At work we use 5000K or higher for color matching (6700K is ideal but hard to find), and at home it's 3300K to 4000K. If there is no temperature rating, pay attention to the descriptions: "Warm" is at the lower end of the spectrum where "Daylight" is at the higher end.
Yes indeed.

To add to this, the 2700K-3000K range is about where incandescents would fall, and there are CFLs available in that color temperature. Someone walking into the room wouldn't be able to tell that a CFL was hiding underneath the lampshade.

Also relevant is the Color Rendering Index. 80+ is decent as far as fluorescents go.
 
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AnonymouseUser

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Also relevant is the Color Rendering Index. 80+ is decent as far as fluorescents go.

I've never paid attention to the CRI, and for good reason:

(Ohno 2006) and others have criticised CRI for not always correlating well with subjective color rendering quality in practice, particularly for light sources with spiky emission spectra such as fluorescent lamps or white LEDs.

According to the CRI chart, the best light for color matching (100 CRI) would be an Incandescent/Halogen Light Bulb 3200(K), and I can promise you that wouldn't work.
 

bhanson

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The 13W ones are always on sale at my grocery store for about $0.50/each.
 

FelixDeCat

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CFL lights are poor incandescent wannabes The leave shadows everywhere and just dont cut it. If they outlaw them next year, I am going to Canada or Mexico to buy them.
 

Engineer

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CFL lights are poor incandescent wannabes The leave shadows everywhere and just dont cut it. If they outlaw them next year, I am going to Canada or Mexico to buy them.

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just go ahead and buy hundreds of them now and stock them up? Of course, Mexico might not be much of a trip for you though...Canada...not so short.
 

lxskllr

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I'm not sold on CFLs. They've been hit/miss for me as far as durability goes, and I'm not convinced they save energy when the whole manufacturing process is accounted for. I think the energy use is just put somewhere else instead of the end users house. In addition to that I haven't seen one yet that looks as good as my preferred 40w soft white incandescent.
 

FelixDeCat

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Wouldn't it be cheaper to just go ahead and buy hundreds of them now and stock them up? Of course, Mexico might not be much of a trip for you though...Canada...not so short.

Ive heard the Republican House is going to eliminate the phase out and let the consumer decide, instead of forcing a decision on America afterall.
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So at this time, Ive decided not to hoard them. Otherwise I may have to create or participate in a black market for them. ;)