Today I become more conservative

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sandorski
Well, that's because they haven't been given the opportunity in awhile!

Maybe not in BC...but the rest of the country has had very successful conservative governments.

PS. I would consider Campbell a conservative...even flew tory blue during the campaign!...

Oh, I was thinking more Federally, but you are correct Provincially. Yes, BC Liberals are pretty much Conservatives, more or less the same as the former Social Credit Party which was Pro-Business/Free Enterprise. Kinda like the current Federal Liberals!

 

[Stunt]

The liberals USED to be pro-business and free enterprise until they stopped giving tax cuts with huge surpluses.

Instead they are spending like no tomorrow on useless programs, and caving to the socialist NDP on even the smallest tax cuts. They have shown their true colors in the last couple years, it all started with Chretien's "legacy"...pffff

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: BBond
The donation has increased under conservative reign far greater than it was under liberal leadership. Why become more conservative? They're the ones increasing spending!

The highest period of government spending per capita was under a Democratic president, in the 1940s.

 

[desy]

Oh I know
Cause you were in the middle of a World War right?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: BBond
The donation has increased under conservative reign far greater than it was under liberal leadership. Why become more conservative? They're the ones increasing spending!

The highest period of government spending per capita was under a Democratic president, in the 1940s.

LOL, ya, run with that, it'll go places.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Stunt
The liberals USED to be pro-business and free enterprise until they stopped giving tax cuts with huge surpluses.

Instead they are spending like no tomorrow on useless programs, and caving to the socialist NDP on even the smallest tax cuts. They have shown their true colors in the last couple years, it all started with Chretien's "legacy"...pffff

Bring it on!

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: desy
Oh I know
Cause you were in the middle of a World War right?

Currently we are also in the middle of a war.

 

[desy]

c'mon now you can't compare the big one to now. . .
I thought the one now is why there is a 300 Billion defecit?
So instead of taxing to pay for it just plunge deeper in debt? hmmmm

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: desy
c'mon now you can't compare the big one to now. . .
I thought the one now is why there is a 300 Billion defecit?
So instead of taxing to pay for it just plunge deeper in debt? hmmmm

good point, but I have to say Im' all for the tax cuts, the problem is the idiots in DC wont quit spending on ridiculous crap like medicare/prescription drugs for old folks...well F that.

 

[aidanjm]

keep on benefitting from public education, police, army, blah blah while you complain about those taxes why don't you

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: desy
c'mon now you can't compare the big one to now. . .
I thought the one now is why there is a 300 Billion defecit?
So instead of taxing to pay for it just plunge deeper in debt? hmmmm

good point, but I have to say Im' all for the tax cuts, the problem is the idiots in DC wont quit spending on ridiculous crap like medicare/prescription drugs for old folks...well F that.

So those things are useless, and wasting money in Iraq is ok?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
keep on benefitting from public education, police, army, blah blah while you complain about those taxes why don't you

Raising poorly educated brats, driving on crappy roads and paying cops who eat more donuts than they do stop crimes are worth a large chunk of one's paycheck? Anyone who pays one thin dime in taxes has the right to complain about the way it's spent.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: aidanjm
keep on benefitting from public education, police, army, blah blah while you complain about those taxes why don't you

Raising poorly educated brats, driving on crappy roads and paying cops who eat more donuts than they do stop crimes are worth a large chunk of one's paycheck? Anyone who pays one thin dime in taxes has the right to complain about the way it's spent.

if you want well educated brats, good roads, and well-qualified, skilled cops who are good at their jobs then you are going to have to pay much higher taxes, as in australia, europe

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: aidanjm
keep on benefitting from public education, police, army, blah blah while you complain about those taxes why don't you

Raising poorly educated brats, driving on crappy roads and paying cops who eat more donuts than they do stop crimes are worth a large chunk of one's paycheck? Anyone who pays one thin dime in taxes has the right to complain about the way it's spent.

if you want well educated brats, good roads, and well-qualified, skilled cops who are good at their jobs then you are going to have to pay much higher taxes, as in australia, europe

We spend more on educating our brats than just aboutany country in the world and we dont have much to show for it. We have every right to complain and demand better.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: BBond
You really need to check out the numbers.

What numbers?

These numbers.

If you had any sense, you'd be becoming more liberal.

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: aidanjm
keep on benefitting from public education, police, army, blah blah while you complain about those taxes why don't you

Raising poorly educated brats, driving on crappy roads and paying cops who eat more donuts than they do stop crimes are worth a large chunk of one's paycheck? Anyone who pays one thin dime in taxes has the right to complain about the way it's spent.

if you want well educated brats, good roads, and well-qualified, skilled cops who are good at their jobs then you are going to have to pay much higher taxes, as in australia, europe

You are kiddin right? for the most part are cops are great, our roads aren't bad but they could be better...as for education we're still among the best in the world. Higher taxes != results. In fact waste tends to increase dramatically with higher taxes. Also lets look at the economies in these other countries, the majority of the EU is a joke...australia is the only exception and my qestion would then be what are their tax rates? Believe it or not many countries have LOWER taxes than we do.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

You are kiddin right? for the most part are cops are great, our roads aren't bad but they could be better...as for education we're still among the best in the world. Higher taxes != results. In fact waste tends to increase dramatically with higher taxes. Also lets look at the economies in these other countries, the majority of the EU is a joke...australia is the only exception and my qestion would then be what are their tax rates? Believe it or not many countries have LOWER taxes than we do.

Whatever. Explain how lower taxes balance with record deficits.

Aren't you "fiscally responsible" Republicans just deferring payment of the debt you're accumulating, by giving tax cuts targeted to the already filthy rich for example, to future generations?

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

You are kiddin right? for the most part are cops are great, our roads aren't bad but they could be better...as for education we're still among the best in the world. Higher taxes != results. In fact waste tends to increase dramatically with higher taxes. Also lets look at the economies in these other countries, the majority of the EU is a joke...australia is the only exception and my qestion would then be what are their tax rates? Believe it or not many countries have LOWER taxes than we do.

Whatever. Explain how lower taxes balance with record deficits.

Aren't you "fiscally responsible" Republicans just deferring payment of the debt you're accumulating, by giving tax cuts targeted to the already filthy rich for example, to future generations?

I'm a huge fan of tax cuts and Bush's were accross the board, the rich got more because htey pay more, I dont know why math is so hard for liberals to understand. I dont think he's fiscally responsible, can we get a veto on a spending bill? holy crap he just spends like crazy. I'd rather have my money than the government, why? because I'll spend it better. As for record defecits they're not records aftera djusting for inflation and as a % of GDP so we've been here before we can recover. Now I'm not happy with the spedning as I said but it could be worse.

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: BBond
You really need to check out the numbers.

What numbers?

These numbers.

If you had any sense, you'd be becoming more liberal.

considering that graph isn't adjusted for inflation and our GDP is 10 times higher than it was under carter. Also we had a defecit of less than 500 bil last year...so that graph isn't even using accurate info its using projected info. Last I saw the real defecit of hte last fiscal year was 463 billion down for a projection of 530 billion

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: BBond
These numbers.

If you had any sense, you'd be becoming more liberal.

I've made numerous threads indicating why Republicans are not conservatives...

I want numbers for REAL conservatives.
Also, Bush is not even close to an example of a Conservative in Canada

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: BBond
These numbers.

If you had any sense, you'd be becoming more liberal.

I've made numerous threads indicating why Republicans are not conservatives...

I want numbers for REAL conservatives.
Also, Bush is not even close to an example of a Conservative in Canada

FWIW, in the USA, this is what passes for conservatism these days whether or not you like it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: BBond
You really need to check out the numbers.

What numbers?

These numbers.

If you had any sense, you'd be becoming more liberal.

considering that graph isn't adjusted for inflation and our GDP is 10 times higher than it was under carter. Also we had a defecit of less than 500 bil last year...so that graph isn't even using accurate info its using projected info. Last I saw the real defecit of hte last fiscal year was 463 billion down for a projection of 530 billion

The last I heard, the Bush Administration excludes the cost of Iraq from their official budget deficit statistics. That's probably why you see a discrepancy. The methodology used for the link is more accurate, subtracting last year's total actual federal debt from this year's.

 

[5LiterMustang]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: BBond
You really need to check out the numbers.

What numbers?

These numbers.

If you had any sense, you'd be becoming more liberal.

considering that graph isn't adjusted for inflation and our GDP is 10 times higher than it was under carter. Also we had a defecit of less than 500 bil last year...so that graph isn't even using accurate info its using projected info. Last I saw the real defecit of hte last fiscal year was 463 billion down for a projection of 530 billion

The last I heard, the Bush Administration excludes the cost of Iraq from their official budget deficit statistics. That's probably why you see a discrepancy. The methodology used for the link is more accurate, subtracting last year's total actual federal debt from this year's.

uhh no the REAL numbers came in lower than expected last year and they're going to this year too. If you remember the original predictions for this year were 425 to 470 bil depending on who did the study...now that number appears to be around 340 bil

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
considering that graph isn't adjusted for inflation and our GDP is 10 times higher than it was under carter. Also we had a defecit of less than 500 bil last year...so that graph isn't even using accurate info its using projected info. Last I saw the real defecit of hte last fiscal year was 463 billion down for a projection of 530 billion

The last I heard, the Bush Administration excludes the cost of Iraq from their official budget deficit statistics. That's probably why you see a discrepancy. The methodology used for the link is more accurate, subtracting last year's total actual federal debt from this year's.

uhh no the REAL numbers came in lower than expected last year and they're going to this year too. If you remember the original predictions for this year were 425 to 470 bil depending on who did the study...now that number appears to be around 340 bil

I understand that and am not disputing it. Those numbers still do NOT include the cost of the Iraq invasion, however. That's my point, the Iraq costs were excluded from both the original projections and from the actuals reported.

Note: I also agree the graph is apparently NOT adjusted for inflation. This overstates the Bush 43 deficit compared to his predecessors.

 

[judasmachine]

everyone is a libetarian on tax day, it's a fact.