To those MAC users

[hevnsnt]

Well, I bought a Mini when they first came out just to try them, and it has always been my "play around with machine" it wasnt until the OSx86 hacking started that I began the "switch". At first I had put it on a spare machine, and then finally on my main one. Then the Macbooks came out and I just had to buy one. Now whenever I work on a windows machine, I feel like I have taken about 6 steps backwards. I am a Linux guy at heart, I think the Unix backend and absolutely gorgous & userfriendlyness of OSX just finally won me over. It took awhile though that is for sure. (plus I don't game AT ALL)

Oh and for those Macbook owners, god I love the trackpad. I can't live without the "double-finger" right click & scroll. Everytime I use my work laptop I want to throw it out the window!~

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal
Question for technical Mac users.

My company posts most of it's product manuals, etc., on it's web-site for FTP download, and for customers to upload via FTP.

Windows and Linux based users have no problems FTP'ing files up to our site, or taking them down. Internet Explorer, Firefox, etc., are all capable of doing this. However, Apple users are constantly 'stuck' when they try to correspond via FTP. Best response I've been able to research is Apple screwed up FTP with OSX big time, requirinig you to download 3rd party tools to do it.

Hence my question, if a main selling point with Apple is all the integrated i-Ware, why does OSX lack basic and functional FTP capabilities?

FTP works fine on OS X built-in...if you're doing serious FTP work, you'd get a 3rd party client no matter what the platform is.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I don't game so that is a moot point for me, and I dunno it just works.
Gripe about mac users all you want, but mac laptops > all.

 

[Zenmervolt]

I might have been the only person on this forum whose first thought was, "Because MAC tools are incredibly high quality, better than Craftsman for hand tools and their air tools are great."

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
If you're thinking about laptops, however, you're an idiot if you buy anything that's not a Mac.

Having used both Mac and ThinkPad laptops, I have to say that Mac laptops are nothing special. The keyboards are tiny, the ancillary keys are crammed in, the keys have very little travel or feel, and they use that damn touchpad instead of the trackpoint. They're also about much less rigid than the ThinkPads I've used.

Decent battery life is the only thing I've really seen that Mac laptops have going for them, but the keyboard and touchpad are so annoying to use that it's not worth the extra 15 minutes of battery life.

ZV

 

[spikespiegal]

FTP works fine on OS X built-in...if you're doing serious FTP work, you'd get a 3rd party client no matter what the platform is.

Passive FTP *does not* work fine with OSX, and I could post a few thousand URLs if you'd care to read them.

Next, being able to perform basic FTP operations such as moving a single file is not would I would describe as 'serious' FTP work. This is no problem with users running Firefox or IE, but Mac users get consistently aggravated as soon as a Firewall is in the way.

Should I tell our Web host provider to remove their Firewall to appease Apple users I deal with?

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

FTP works fine on OS X built-in...if you're doing serious FTP work, you'd get a 3rd party client no matter what the platform is.

Passive FTP *does not* work fine with OSX, and I could post a few thousand URLs if you'd care to read them.

Next, being able to perform basic FTP operations such as moving a single file is not would I would describe as 'serious' FTP work. This is no problem with users running Firefox or IE, but Mac users get consistently aggravated as soon as a Firewall is in the way.

Should I tell our Web host provider to remove their Firewall to appease Apple users I deal with?

I always encountered problems with filenames being truncated by ftp server software being run on Macs.

 

[spikespiegal]

Having used both Mac and ThinkPad laptops, I have to say that Mac laptops are nothing special

Which bring me to my next question for Apple users 😎

I've been debating Mac users for, gosh, over 15 years now. The most consistent thing I've heard from Apple heads over the years is how much 'Intel sucks' and is inferiour to Motorola.

With the new Core Duos, Apple users are losing both Altivec, and being forced to run key applications like Photoshop inside Rosetta, both of which incur a severe performance hit. Yet, Apple users seem to be ecstatic about the new Mac-Intels. While I respect the Centrino architecture for it's P3 under-pinnings, it's a dog compared to my X2 platforms.

Which brings me to conclude that (A) Prior Mac portables, and the G3-G4 platforms in general really never ran that well to begin with. (B) Apple users have no concept of performance. (C) I feel sorry for dual G5 users who might be actually be going backwards when they are forced to move to Intel.

 

[spikespiegal]

I always encountered problems with filenames being truncated by ftp server software being run on Macs.

You must be hallucinating. OSX is actually Unix because Steve Jobes says so.

 

[Tu13erhead]

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[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: eits
oh, something i hate about macs is how if i'm trying to fill out an online submit form where there are checkboxes involved or something, if i hit tab, it doesn't go to the checkbox field!!! wtf!!! fix that, steve jobs! fix it now!

Option-Tab. You can also make it work with tab by setting up Full Keyboard Access (Ctrl+F7, or done through System Pref's). I personally like the default, cause I don't like having to tab through all hyperlinks to get to a text field.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

I always encountered problems with filenames being truncated by ftp server software being run on Macs.

You must be hallucinating. OSX is actually Unix because Steve Jobes says so.

This was probably pre-OSX. Though my mac compatible sarcasm meter isn't working.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Having used both Mac and ThinkPad laptops, I have to say that Mac laptops are nothing special

Which bring me to my next question for Apple users 😎

I've been debating Mac users for, gosh, over 15 years now. The most consistent thing I've heard from Apple heads over the years is how much 'Intel sucks' and is inferiour to Motorola.

With the new Core Duos, Apple users are losing both Altivec, and being forced to run key applications like Photoshop inside Rosetta, both of which incur a severe performance hit. Yet, Apple users seem to be ecstatic about the new Mac-Intels. While I respect the Centrino architecture for it's P3 under-pinnings, it's a dog compared to my X2 platforms.

Which brings me to conclude that (A) Prior Mac portables, and the G3-G4 platforms in general really never ran that well to begin with. (B) Apple users have no concept of performance. (C) I feel sorry for dual G5 users who might be actually be going backwards when they are forced to move to Intel.

You do realize that SSE3 on the Core Duo is analogous to the Altivec engine, correct? The reason people are ecstatic is because since the G5 came out, IBM promised to deliver a viable portable G5, but never did. We are ecstatic, because it's taken a long time for the laptops to finally be powerful, and modern.

Most software companies that aren't Microsoft or Adobe have already released Universal versions of their apps. When it comes to Microsoft or Adobe, they are driven by profit, not user satisfaction. Because of this, they are not releasing Universal versions of the current versions. Instead, they are forcing you to buy the next version to be Universal.

And as a G5 owner, and a MacBook pro owner, I don't feel I have went backwards or forwards in regards to either. Both perform their roles extremely well.

I don't know a lot about the X2 architecture, but I would not call the Core Duo a dog compared to it.

 

[Omizzle]

I don't have a Mac yet, but I'm gonna get one. Why, you ask? Because Macs are FTW 😀

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Having used both Mac and ThinkPad laptops, I have to say that Mac laptops are nothing special

Which bring me to my next question for Apple users 😎

I've been debating Mac users for, gosh, over 15 years now. The most consistent thing I've heard from Apple heads over the years is how much 'Intel sucks' and is inferiour to Motorola.

With the new Core Duos, Apple users are losing both Altivec, and being forced to run key applications like Photoshop inside Rosetta, both of which incur a severe performance hit. Yet, Apple users seem to be ecstatic about the new Mac-Intels. While I respect the Centrino architecture for it's P3 under-pinnings, it's a dog compared to my X2 platforms.

Which brings me to conclude that (A) Prior Mac portables, and the G3-G4 platforms in general really never ran that well to begin with. (B) Apple users have no concept of performance. (C) I feel sorry for dual G5 users who might be actually be going backwards when they are forced to move to Intel.

You do realize that SSE3 on the Core Duo is analogous to the Altivec engine, correct? The reason people are ecstatic is because since the G5 came out, IBM promised to deliver a viable portable G5, but never did. We are ecstatic, because it's taken a long time for the laptops to finally be powerful, and modern.

Most software companies that aren't Microsoft or Adobe have already released Universal versions of their apps. When it comes to Microsoft or Adobe, they are driven by profit, not user satisfaction. Because of this, they are not releasing Universal versions of the current versions. Instead, they are forcing you to buy the next version to be Universal.

And as a G5 owner, and a MacBook pro owner, I don't feel I have went backwards or forwards in regards to either. Both perform their roles extremely well.

I don't know a lot about the X2 architecture, but I would not call the Core Duo a dog compared to it.

the core archiecture is a great performer and as far as core duos are concerned, give AMD X2's a run for their money (take a look at AT's benches). the G5 will get spanked by either an X2 or core duo, and even worse by conroe (god help you if you run an OSX server, OSX is TERRIBLE for servers)

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: spikespiegal

Having used both Mac and ThinkPad laptops, I have to say that Mac laptops are nothing special

Which bring me to my next question for Apple users 😎

I've been debating Mac users for, gosh, over 15 years now. The most consistent thing I've heard from Apple heads over the years is how much 'Intel sucks' and is inferiour to Motorola.

With the new Core Duos, Apple users are losing both Altivec, and being forced to run key applications like Photoshop inside Rosetta, both of which incur a severe performance hit. Yet, Apple users seem to be ecstatic about the new Mac-Intels. While I respect the Centrino architecture for it's P3 under-pinnings, it's a dog compared to my X2 platforms.

Which brings me to conclude that (A) Prior Mac portables, and the G3-G4 platforms in general really never ran that well to begin with. (B) Apple users have no concept of performance. (C) I feel sorry for dual G5 users who might be actually be going backwards when they are forced to move to Intel.

You do realize that SSE3 on the Core Duo is analogous to the Altivec engine, correct? The reason people are ecstatic is because since the G5 came out, IBM promised to deliver a viable portable G5, but never did. We are ecstatic, because it's taken a long time for the laptops to finally be powerful, and modern.

Most software companies that aren't Microsoft or Adobe have already released Universal versions of their apps. When it comes to Microsoft or Adobe, they are driven by profit, not user satisfaction. Because of this, they are not releasing Universal versions of the current versions. Instead, they are forcing you to buy the next version to be Universal.

And as a G5 owner, and a MacBook pro owner, I don't feel I have went backwards or forwards in regards to either. Both perform their roles extremely well.

I don't know a lot about the X2 architecture, but I would not call the Core Duo a dog compared to it.

the core archiecture is a great performer and as far as core duos are concerned, give AMD X2's a run for their money (take a look at AT's benches). the G5 will get spanked by either an X2 or core duo, and even worse by conroe (god help you if you run an OSX server, OSX is TERRIBLE for servers)

My dual 2.5 GHz G5 definitely does not get spanked by the Core Duo. I would say they are close performers. The G5 is faster for some things, and the Core Duo is faster for others.

As for OS X Server being terrible, that's if you don't compile a custom kernel. The problem is, the generic darwin kernel provided by Apple is a giant monolithic beast with support for nearly anything. If you use the opendarwin sources, you can make yourself a custom kernel, which performs much better.

 

[whistleclient]

i didn't really fully think about switching until, bootcamp allowed
playing Battlefield 2 on a 20" Imac:

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now i'm seriously thinking about it. pretty machine + no viruses + games when i want = hmmm....

of course it'll never be a hardcore gaming machine, but i'm not a hardcore gamer...

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I don't game so that is a moot point for me, and I dunno it just works.
Gripe about mac users all you want, but mac laptops > all.

agree very much.... they last forever and retain their value the best. i bet it'll be about 3 more years before i get a new laptop... maybe even 4. i got it 3 years ago.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: LtPage1
If you're thinking about laptops, however, you're an idiot if you buy anything that's not a Mac.

Having used both Mac and ThinkPad laptops, I have to say that Mac laptops are nothing special. The keyboards are tiny, the ancillary keys are crammed in, the keys have very little travel or feel, and they use that damn touchpad instead of the trackpoint. They're also about much less rigid than the ThinkPads I've used.

Decent battery life is the only thing I've really seen that Mac laptops have going for them, but the keyboard and touchpad are so annoying to use that it's not worth the extra 15 minutes of battery life.

ZV

try the new keyboards... they're awesome as hell.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: eits
oh, something i hate about macs is how if i'm trying to fill out an online submit form where there are checkboxes involved or something, if i hit tab, it doesn't go to the checkbox field!!! wtf!!! fix that, steve jobs! fix it now!

Option-Tab. You can also make it work with tab by setting up Full Keyboard Access (Ctrl+F7, or done through System Pref's). I personally like the default, cause I don't like having to tab through all hyperlinks to get to a text field.

is that a tiger feature? i don't have tiger 🙁 only panther...

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: eits
oh, something i hate about macs is how if i'm trying to fill out an online submit form where there are checkboxes involved or something, if i hit tab, it doesn't go to the checkbox field!!! wtf!!! fix that, steve jobs! fix it now!

Option-Tab. You can also make it work with tab by setting up Full Keyboard Access (Ctrl+F7, or done through System Pref's). I personally like the default, cause I don't like having to tab through all hyperlinks to get to a text field.

is that a tiger feature? i don't have tiger 🙁 only panther...

No, that's in Panther too. It may be a different keyboard shortcut.

Go in to System Preferences. Click on Keyboard & Mouse. Next click on Keyboard Shortcuts. At the bottom, you should see something that says Full Keyboard Access.

Also, Opt-Tab works on Panther as well.

Just curious, why have you stuck with Panther? Tiger truly has been better in every way. I wouldn't recommend upgrading right now though, because I have a feeling that Leopard is right around the corner. I've heard rumors that WWDC we might see a release, or that they will be giving a release date that will still be before Vista (Not a hard target).

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: eits
oh, something i hate about macs is how if i'm trying to fill out an online submit form where there are checkboxes involved or something, if i hit tab, it doesn't go to the checkbox field!!! wtf!!! fix that, steve jobs! fix it now!

Option-Tab. You can also make it work with tab by setting up Full Keyboard Access (Ctrl+F7, or done through System Pref's). I personally like the default, cause I don't like having to tab through all hyperlinks to get to a text field.

is that a tiger feature? i don't have tiger 🙁 only panther...

No, that's in Panther too. It may be a different keyboard shortcut.

Go in to System Preferences. Click on Keyboard & Mouse. Next click on Keyboard Shortcuts. At the bottom, you should see something that says Full Keyboard Access.

Also, Opt-Tab works on Panther as well.

Just curious, why have you stuck with Panther? Tiger truly has been better in every way. I wouldn't recommend upgrading right now though, because I have a feeling that Leopard is right around the corner. I've heard rumors that WWDC we might see a release, or that they will be giving a release date that will still be before Vista (Not a hard target).

i know tiger's way better.... i haven't been able to get my hands on a copy. i don't really wanna go out and buy it. i was supposed to have it whenever it came out earlier, but my friend never sent me my free copy. he forgot 🙁 and now, whenever i go back home to maryland, it's hard to get his copy to install it on my laptop because he moved to virginia. this time around, however, i'll make it a point to install it 🙂

 

[Tu13erhead]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5
As for OS X Server being terrible, that's if you don't compile a custom kernel. The problem is, the generic darwin kernel provided by Apple is a giant monolithic beast with support for nearly anything. If you use the opendarwin sources, you can make yourself a custom kernel, which performs much better.

Can you do that for OS X Server only?

 

[vital]

I own a MacBook so no one will steal my laptop.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Tu13erhead

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5
As for OS X Server being terrible, that's if you don't compile a custom kernel. The problem is, the generic darwin kernel provided by Apple is a giant monolithic beast with support for nearly anything. If you use the opendarwin sources, you can make yourself a custom kernel, which performs much better.

Can you do that for OS X Server only?

No. I believe you can do it on the client version as well. Just google something like "compile darwin kernel mac os x" on google (without the quotes of course). I honestly don't see a point though for the client. You shouldn't really be doing anything that warrants a custom kernel, plus if you remove drivers and whatnot from it, you may lose the ability to use some third party things without a recompile.

It makes sense for a server, where the setup is fairly static, but on a client usually the setup is somewhat dynamic.