To the point, Judge Jeaine on gun control issue

[momeNt]

To the contrary, the second amendment say you can own guns. You gun psychos just seem to be too stupid to know it, like fucking morons who have armed yourself to the teeth to do battle with a few mice, apoplectic about nothing. Life isn't fair. If you parade around like an idiot, somebody is going to tell you. It might as well be me.

One of your weaker tries.

 

[hal2kilo]

So why isn't DC crime coming into Virginia? Or moreover, why doesn't Virginia, for all its guns, have anything resembling DC crime?

Guns are not the problem, and gun control is a surface solution at its absolute best and, in the United States, is typically completely ineffective.

First off, there's this big physical boundary called the Potomac river.

It's funny I grew up in Arlington, which is between Fairfax county and D.C. no border between Fairfax and DC.

 

[irishScott]

First off, there's this big physical boundary called the Potomac river.

It's funny I grew up in Arlington, which is between Fairfax county and D.C. no border between Fairfax and DC.

It's funny because I've driven over that big, physical boundry hundreds of times with essentially no effort. You'd think more lucrative targets would attract criminals, given that they're all of 20-30 minutes away.

495, arguably the main thoroughfair between DC and Virginia, runs through Fairfax County. Also, even if we substitute Arlington County for Fairfax County, proves my point even better
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...-Finishes-2011-With-No-Murders-136548603.html

Arlington County Finishes 2011 With No Murders

 

[IBMer]

I am very anti gun, but even I can see that new gun laws will do very little to help the real gun violence. That said, I still think we need to better implement what is already there with universal background checks and get rid of the loop holes for gun show buyers.

Unfortunately what really needs to be done is a better deterrent to crime which is impossible with such a lose definition on the 8th amendment. Violent offenders should be subject to harsher prisons, and I don't mean harsher in the sense of the population they are put with, but rather standard of living type changes. We allows these harden criminals to basically infect any of the other prisoners and make rehabilitation completely impossible. In fact prison almost always has the exact opposite effect. These prisoners should be required to pay back society and that shouldn't be considered a harsh punishment.

With this in mind you could start in acting laws that deter guns being used in any crime. Use a gun in a crime and you don't go to the medium level prison, you go to the shitty Labor Camp prison. Act up in prison and cause issues and you take on more labor. Act better and attempt to better yourself and you get less. No more of this 4000 calories a day and allow them to work out, only making them even more dangerous when they get out. When someone gets 20 years in prison for a crime, currently we think "thats it", when really it should be so bad that people know thats a harsh sentence.

 

[irishScott]

I am very anti gun, but even I can see that new gun laws will do very little to help the real gun violence. That said, I still think we need to better implement what is already there with universal background checks and get rid of the loop holes for gun show buyers.

Unfortunately what really needs to be done is a better deterrent to crime which is impossible with such a lose definition on the 8th amendment. Violent offenders should be subject to harsher prisons, and I don't mean harsher in the sense of the population they are put with, but rather standard of living type changes. We allows these harden criminals to basically infect any of the other prisoners and make rehabilitation completely impossible. In fact prison almost always has the exact opposite effect. These prisoners should be required to pay back society and that shouldn't be considered a harsh punishment.

With this in mind you could start in acting laws that deter guns being used in any crime. Use a gun in a crime and you don't go to the medium level prison, you go to the shitty Labor Camp prison. Act up in prison and cause issues and you take on more labor. Act better and attempt to better yourself and you get less. No more of this 4000 calories a day and allow them to work out, only making them even more dangerous when they get out. When someone gets 20 years in prison for a crime, currently we think "thats it", when really it should be so bad that people know thats a harsh sentence.

I'm extremely pro-gun, and I agree with almost all of this. Given our prison population, our infrastructure should be pristine. Community service, under armed guard of course, should be mandatory for prisoners. Hell pay them half-minimum wage to let them build up some money for when they get out.

 

[Doppel]

I am very anti gun, but even I can see that new gun laws will do very little to help the real gun violence. That said, I still think we need to better implement what is already there with universal background checks and get rid of the loop holes for gun show buyers.

Unfortunately what really needs to be done is a better deterrent to crime which is impossible with such a lose definition on the 8th amendment. Violent offenders should be subject to harsher prisons, and I don't mean harsher in the sense of the population they are put with, but rather standard of living type changes. We allows these harden criminals to basically infect any of the other prisoners and make rehabilitation completely impossible. In fact prison almost always has the exact opposite effect. These prisoners should be required to pay back society and that shouldn't be considered a harsh punishment.

With this in mind you could start in acting laws that deter guns being used in any crime. Use a gun in a crime and you don't go to the medium level prison, you go to the shitty Labor Camp prison. Act up in prison and cause issues and you take on more labor. Act better and attempt to better yourself and you get less. No more of this 4000 calories a day and allow them to work out, only making them even more dangerous when they get out. When someone gets 20 years in prison for a crime, currently we think "thats it", when really it should be so bad that people know thats a harsh sentence.

As you allude to the correctional system in the US is anything but. It is totally fucked up actually.

 

[Agent11]

I am very anti gun, but even I can see that new gun laws will do very little to help the real gun violence. That said, I still think we need to better implement what is already there with universal background checks and get rid of the loop holes for gun show buyers.

Unfortunately what really needs to be done is a better deterrent to crime which is impossible with such a lose definition on the 8th amendment. Violent offenders should be subject to harsher prisons, and I don't mean harsher in the sense of the population they are put with, but rather standard of living type changes. We allows these harden criminals to basically infect any of the other prisoners and make rehabilitation completely impossible. In fact prison almost always has the exact opposite effect. These prisoners should be required to pay back society and that shouldn't be considered a harsh punishment.

With this in mind you could start in acting laws that deter guns being used in any crime. Use a gun in a crime and you don't go to the medium level prison, you go to the shitty Labor Camp prison. Act up in prison and cause issues and you take on more labor. Act better and attempt to better yourself and you get less. No more of this 4000 calories a day and allow them to work out, only making them even more dangerous when they get out. When someone gets 20 years in prison for a crime, currently we think "thats it", when really it should be so bad that people know thats a harsh sentence.

This is why we need to get rid of all these laws making executions next to impossible. We live in an age were there is more science that can be used to determine guilt than any other, yet it is 100 times more difficult to execute a convicted murderer than any other.

 

[Smoblikat]

Gun rights as a "God given right" is not an argument, its a rallying cry.

Then its a damn good thing she didnt say "god given right"

 

[Agent11]

To the contrary, the second amendment say you can own guns. You gun psychos just seem to be too stupid to know it, like fucking morons who have armed yourself to the teeth to do battle with a few mice, apoplectic about nothing. Life isn't fair. If you parade around like an idiot, somebody is going to tell you. It might as well be me.

Unfortunately people who value the right to bear arms are constantly under attack by legions of rabid, well meaning buffoons.

 

[IBMer]

This is why we need to get rid of all these laws making executions next to impossible. We live in an age were there is more science that can be used to determine guilt than any other, yet it is 100 times more difficult to execute a convicted murderer than any other.

I don't think execution provides a big enough deterrent. I would much rather see them spend a significant amount of time in a harsher prison conditions. Heck, why not set it where the Death Penalty is on the table but suspended and they can serve time in said prison. They severely act up or commit more crime while in prison, then re-enact the sentence.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Think I found a good analogy for gun control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvELWwuTKrA

is this supposed to be an analogy for the laws being passed? everything done in one day?

 

[Moonbeam]

Unfortunately people who value the right to bear arms are constantly under attack by legions of rabid, well meaning buffoons.

Either that or concerned parents and folk who are being shot at.

 

[nextJin]

Either that or concerned parents and folk who are being shot at.

Hmmm, so if you are beaten by a white guy with a baseball bat and the national average of baseball bat beatings were increasing, (unlike gun violence) you, those kids and parents should ban baseball bats?

Parents and people being shot at can be pretty stupid too, they are not above everyone else simply because they are victims.

 

[Doppel]

This true? According to this link the Whitehouse is behind, if not directly, sending fake tweets by nonexistent people in support of gun control. I guess that's one way of garnering support.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...organizing-for-action-records-on-gun-control/

 

[irishScott]

This true? According to this link the Whitehouse is behind, if not directly, sending fake tweets by nonexistent people in support of gun control. I guess that's one way of garnering support.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...organizing-for-action-records-on-gun-control/

B-b-b-b Obama wouldn't do that! That's what Romney did! And Obama's all wholesome, goody, hopey-changy...

Obama's a bureaucrat with the charisma of some douchebag with an acoustic guitar at a frat party. And his true disciples are about as devoted and vapid as your average sorority girl.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hmmm, so if you are beaten by a white guy with a baseball bat and the national average of baseball bat beatings were increasing, (unlike gun violence) you, those kids and parents should ban baseball bats?

Parents and people being shot at can be pretty stupid too, they are not above everyone else simply because they are victims.

So true, but you don't see how you're been manipulated and played by the gun industry to regurgitate on command, at the mention of gun control, all the victim hood delusional reactions of a paranoid schizophrenic. A nice normal calm and intelligent gun owner like myself is as worried about the government taking my guns as I am about black helicopters landing on my liver to fly fish for tuna.

But there is always some risk because just yesterday I was watching a videos of folk catching tuna with kites and helium balloons and bass with RC choppers. I wouldn't want you worrying about my sanity because I can seem to reflect yours so well. I get lots of help on the internet.

I'm rather good at shooting fish in a barrel and have become very intrigued by catching them with a kite. Actually, my real passion has moved on to figuring a way to catch Dungeness crab with a one armed submarine.