To SP2 or not to SP2, that is the question?

ijs12fly

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Should I update my XP form SP1 to SP2 or not? I have heard many complaints about SP2 but some people just like to complain.

 

ColKurtz

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Search the board. There are plenty of threads on this subject.

The easy answer is Yes - upgrade.
 

biostud

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I've had no problems only minor annoyances...........specially the "you need to reboot your computer, for the updates to take effect" pop-up
 

montag451

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i've heard that ms are giving the option for ppl to update, for now.
BUT,
in a few months it will be done automatically by the auto update feature.

also, more and more software is going to be tested on xpsp2, same as hw, and soon, it will be as expected as 98se v 98
 

Vad3r

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I've installed it to more than 100 PCs.
Do it.

Yes, but why ?.
Not trying to be a smart ass here, but I don't even have SP1 installed. I've grabbed the important security updates and stuff over time. But everything works right now, software/hardware. I know these service paks are ment to fix things that are not working correctly. But I'm happy with the way things are, why would I or anyone want to update ?.
How can things get better than they are now, everything is working. In my opinion, best I can hope for, something won't work after updating, so why do it ?.
Again, I'm am not trying to stir up the shit, but everything for me works, why would I (or anyone else) want to upgrade.

I have firewall and antivirus, all software and hardware works perfectly, why in gods name would I (or anyone), want to update this (when you could end up downgrading this) (meaning ....... doesn't work anymore)?.

Guess I kinda live by, "if it's not broke, don't try to fix it".
 

KoolDrew

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There is no reason not to up0date. It is a critical update and you should update. The only problems I have seen were when people had spyware and/or viruses on their systems. Make sure you are clear of viruses and spyware and you should be fine with updating. Check the software forum and read Shad's malware guide.
 

Jeff H

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Vad3r, I subscribe to a couple of newsletters that initially suggested you hold off on installing SP2. Now, this many months later, they're suggesting you do the SP2 thing. There are some things you will want to do prior to installing SP2. First and foremost would be to set a restore point. I've read you'll want to get the full install version (approx. 266MB), and some go so far as to disconnect your system (high speed, dial up, etc) and disable your antivirus.

Then when the SP2 update if finished, renable your av, connect up and get the few SP2 updates. Man, at the very least you should be on SP1a (SP1 isn't available anymore, AFAIK). SP1a brings you things like USB 2.0, along w/ a host of other updates and security fixes. And, if you go to the Windows Update site MS is telling you right on the front page that "Windows XP Support on Windows Update will soon require XP SP1 or later."
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: Vad3r
I've installed it to more than 100 PCs.
Do it.

Yes, but why ?.
Not trying to be a smart ass here, but I don't even have SP1 installed. I've grabbed the important security updates and stuff over time. But everything works right now, software/hardware. I know these service paks are ment to fix things that are not working correctly. But I'm happy with the way things are, why would I or anyone want to update ?.
How can things get better than they are now, everything is working. In my opinion, best I can hope for, something won't work after updating, so why do it ?.
Again, I'm am not trying to stir up the shit, but everything for me works, why would I (or anyone else) want to upgrade.

I have firewall and antivirus, all software and hardware works perfectly, why in gods name would I (or anyone), want to update this (when you could end up downgrading this) (meaning ....... doesn't work anymore)?.

Guess I kinda live by, "if it's not broke, don't try to fix it".

If you have a Windows-based PC connected to the internet, you should always try to remain as up-to-date as possible. This includes installing Service Packs. Not doing so leaves you at risk for worms and other security exploits.
 

vanderStoep

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From what I have read on the various sources is that upgrading to sp2 on an older XP installation tends to create some problems. If you are running a fresh installation, then go for it, on an older working installation I would leave it. I personally have not experienced major problems on an fresh installation but I do find SP2 to slow your PC down (booting and shutting down).


BTW: SP1 is still downloadable @ ms, I did so just last week.
 

WyteWatt

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Originally posted by: vanderStoep
From what I have read on the various sources is that upgrading to sp2 on an older XP installation tends to create some problems. If you are running a fresh installation, then go for it, on an older working installation I would leave it. I personally have not experienced major problems on an fresh installation but I do find SP2 to slow your PC down (booting and shutting down).


BTW: SP1 is still downloadable @ ms, I did so just last week.

Yep and Windows XP Service Pack 2 uses more ram. I have proof.

 

drag

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Originally posted by: imtim83
Originally posted by: vanderStoep
From what I have read on the various sources is that upgrading to sp2 on an older XP installation tends to create some problems. If you are running a fresh installation, then go for it, on an older working installation I would leave it. I personally have not experienced major problems on an fresh installation but I do find SP2 to slow your PC down (booting and shutting down).


BTW: SP1 is still downloadable @ ms, I did so just last week.

Yep and Windows XP Service Pack 2 uses more ram. I have proof.

So how long do suppose it would take to have proof of Windows XP SP1 + trojened spam server vs Windows XP SP2?

I am sure a few people would be curious. :p
 

Link19

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If you strip out all the bloated junk that Windows XP SP2 comes with by default, it doesn't take up more RAM. I would definitely upgrade to Windows XP SP2. But do it on a clean slipstreamed install and make sure you disable or strip out the bloated junk it comes with such as the Security Center. You can use a program called nlite to remove things from your Windows XP installation source. You can also use it to slipstream service packs, updates, and drivers in your Windows XP installation source.
 

WyteWatt

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Originally posted by: Link19
If you strip out all the bloated junk that Windows XP SP2 comes with by default, it doesn't take up more RAM. I would definitely upgrade to Windows XP SP2. But do it on a clean slipstreamed install and make sure you disable or strip out the bloated junk it comes with such as the Security Center. You can use a program called nlite to remove things from your Windows XP installation source. You can also use it to slipstream service packs, updates, and drivers in your Windows XP installation source.

I tried getting Nlite to work 50 million times but could never get the thing to make a bootup windows xp cd where all the stuff I don't need is removed ! No one seemed to know how either. I wish I could of got it working though because Nlite is free and its better than XPlite!

 

Link19

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Originally posted by: imtim83
Originally posted by: Link19
If you strip out all the bloated junk that Windows XP SP2 comes with by default, it doesn't take up more RAM. I would definitely upgrade to Windows XP SP2. But do it on a clean slipstreamed install and make sure you disable or strip out the bloated junk it comes with such as the Security Center. You can use a program called nlite to remove things from your Windows XP installation source. You can also use it to slipstream service packs, updates, and drivers in your Windows XP installation source.

I tried getting Nlite to work 50 million times but could never get the thing to make a bootup windows xp cd where all the stuff I don't need is removed ! No one seemed to know how either. I wish I could of got it working though because Nlite is free and its better than XPlite!

I have used nlite and slipstreamed all post SP2 hotfixes. I removed Security Center, Communication Tools, System Restore, Shell Services, Luna Theme, Alerter Service, Messenger Service, Error Reporting Service, TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper Service, and Windows Time Service. I successfully made the ISO and burned it to a CD and succesfully installed WIndows XP slipstreamed with SP2 without any problems. There are some things you can't remove even though it seems like you could remove them without problems. You cannot remove the Windows Firewall or Indexing Service without problems. Although it would easily seem you should be able to remove the indexing service without any side affects, I have heard that it causes serious problems. You can just safely disable this service without any side affects Same with the WIndows firewall. Just disable it if you don't use it.

 

WyteWatt

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Originally posted by: Link19
Originally posted by: imtim83
Originally posted by: Link19
If you strip out all the bloated junk that Windows XP SP2 comes with by default, it doesn't take up more RAM. I would definitely upgrade to Windows XP SP2. But do it on a clean slipstreamed install and make sure you disable or strip out the bloated junk it comes with such as the Security Center. You can use a program called nlite to remove things from your Windows XP installation source. You can also use it to slipstream service packs, updates, and drivers in your Windows XP installation source.

I tried getting Nlite to work 50 million times but could never get the thing to make a bootup windows xp cd where all the stuff I don't need is removed ! No one seemed to know how either. I wish I could of got it working though because Nlite is free and its better than XPlite!

I have used nlite and slipstreamed all post SP2 hotfixes. I removed Security Center, Communication Tools, System Restore, Shell Services, Luna Theme, Alerter Service, Messenger Service, Error Reporting Service, TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper Service, and Windows Time Service. I successfully made the ISO and burned it to a CD and succesfully installed WIndows XP slipstreamed with SP2 without any problems. There are some things you can't remove even though it seems like you could remove them without problems. You cannot remove the Windows Firewall or Indexing Service without problems. Although it would easily seem you should be able to remove the indexing service without any side affects, I have heard that it causes serious problems. You can just safely disable this service without any side affects Same with the WIndows firewall. Just disable it if you don't use it.

So your bootup cd you made was bootup ? Mine never was. I tried everything.