To P182 or not to P182 -- that is the question!

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
Screw you! I know what I measured and what I said are the facts. One additional comment I should make is that my vid card is passively cooled (Gigabyte 8600GTS). Pulling more air through is why I think the card is much cooler now plus the mid front fan blows air at the vid card. My P182 has four 120 mm fans while my Cooler Master had 4 80 mm fans. So if you don't think a case can make a big difference in cooling, you are a nut case or not very well informed.

Um, one of those 120mm fans is in the lower bay so it doesn't count. Two of the 120mm fans are right above the CPU and for exhaust, which at low RPM will not effect something as far down as the video card. The other 120mm fan would be an intake of the upper bay and the front vent + filter restricts too much airflow for it to make a difference on the video card.

Check this out, I had a much hotter video card in there, a X1900XT. It didn't get cooler no matter case it was in. Unless you put a fan directly on the 8600GTS (heatpipe version, right?) then it's not going to drop an entire 9C just from some low RPM exhaust fans.

You're talking to someone that has that case so you can't BS me on it.

Just because you have a certain experience with a case doesn't mean everyone else will have an identical experience.

You need to pull your head out of your ass and realise that you are not the authority on what's what with someone elses system that you did not build, have never seen, have never worked on, have never seen operate and don't know jack shit about.

 

[Ozoneman]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
Screw you! I know what I measured and what I said are the facts. One additional comment I should make is that my vid card is passively cooled (Gigabyte 8600GTS). Pulling more air through is why I think the card is much cooler now plus the mid front fan blows air at the vid card. My P182 has four 120 mm fans while my Cooler Master had 4 80 mm fans. So if you don't think a case can make a big difference in cooling, you are a nut case or not very well informed.

Um, one of those 120mm fans is in the lower bay so it doesn't count. Two of the 120mm fans are right above the CPU and for exhaust, which at low RPM will not effect something as far down as the video card. The other 120mm fan would be an intake of the upper bay and the front vent + filter restricts too much airflow for it to make a difference on the video card.

Check this out, I had a much hotter video card in there, a X1900XT. It didn't get cooler no matter case it was in. Unless you put a fan directly on the 8600GTS (heatpipe version, right?) then it's not going to drop an entire 9C just from some low RPM exhaust fans.

You're talking to someone that has that case so you can't BS me on it.

You are really annoying! You are the only person I have run across that doesn't think the P180B/P182 cases are great cases.

First of all the lower fan DOES count because that fan cools the HD and the air exits past the power supply, thus the heat from the HD and the power supply don't even get up in the mobo area of the case. So you don't have the HD and power supply adding heat to the upper part of the case. This is heat that is not being added to the mobo area, thus making it cooler to start with. All you have is the mobo, ram, vid card and cpu heating that area.

If you were an informed individual you would know that the P182 has vents on the back where air is pulled in to cool the mobo and vid card as the air passes over them on the way to the back and top exhaust fans. You really aren't very knowledgeable about flow dynamics are you? If air is pulled out, other air has to displace it. Look at this, this may help you understand how the top and back fans cool the entire mobo area of the case:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...p?ProductCode=10005325
Click on the Interactive Demo.
Watch the little arrows and try to understand what is going on. I hope you have the ability to understand this simple concept.

The amount of air flow passing by my vid card makes a huge difference. Since it is passive as more air passes by more heat can be removed. Haven't you ever blown air on your hot food to cool it? The amount of air passing over my vid card is much more than when I had my other case. My vid card was 9 degrees higher in my other case. I just tried different fan speeds in my new case and going from medium speed to low speed increased the vid card temperature by 4 degrees C.

I don't care what you believe, but I'd like others to know how much difference a case can make when it is cooled properly. So move on joker, you aren't being constructive to this thread!

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
Screw you! I know what I measured and what I said are the facts. One additional comment I should make is that my vid card is passively cooled (Gigabyte 8600GTS). Pulling more air through is why I think the card is much cooler now plus the mid front fan blows air at the vid card. My P182 has four 120 mm fans while my Cooler Master had 4 80 mm fans. So if you don't think a case can make a big difference in cooling, you are a nut case or not very well informed.

Um, one of those 120mm fans is in the lower bay so it doesn't count. Two of the 120mm fans are right above the CPU and for exhaust, which at low RPM will not effect something as far down as the video card. The other 120mm fan would be an intake of the upper bay and the front vent + filter restricts too much airflow for it to make a difference on the video card.

Check this out, I had a much hotter video card in there, a X1900XT. It didn't get cooler no matter case it was in. Unless you put a fan directly on the 8600GTS (heatpipe version, right?) then it's not going to drop an entire 9C just from some low RPM exhaust fans.

You're talking to someone that has that case so you can't BS me on it.

Just because you have a certain experience with a case doesn't mean everyone else will have an identical experience.

You need to pull your head out of your ass and realise that you are not the authority on what's what with someone elses system that you did not build, have never seen, have never worked on, have never seen operate and don't know jack shit about.

How the crap will I not have the same experience? The cases are identical in every way in the cooling department.

Have never seen? Last time I checked he did post pictures in this very thread of his system. Pay attention next time.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
You are really annoying! You are the only person I have run across that doesn't think the P180B/P182 cases are great cases.

Look around, you'll find more people. The P180 was an original design and many people know the flaws that it has. The lower bay was the biggest complaint that a lot of people had. Then there was the front door that warped, of which Antec fixed later on.

Through the revisions they left the lower bay unimproved. It's almost as stupid as the Sonata and it's revisions at this point. They didn't do anything to improve cooling in that case either.

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
First of all the lower fan DOES count because that fan cools the HD and the air exits past the power supply, thus the heat from the HD and the power supply don't even get up in the mobo area of the case. So you don't have the HD and power supply adding heat to the upper part of the case. This is heat that is not being added to the mobo area, thus making it cooler to start with. All you have is the mobo, ram, vid card and cpu heating that area.

It counts for cooling the PSU and somewhat the hard drives in the lower bay but it doesn't count at all towards cooling the video card. That's what I was talking about and you failed to pay attention to.

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
If you were an informed individual you would know that the P182 has vents on the back where air is pulled in to cool the mobo and vid card as the air passes over them on the way to the back and top exhaust fans. You really aren't very knowledgeable about flow dynamics are you? If air is pulled out, other air has to displace it. Look at this, this may help you understand how the top and back fans cool the entire mobo area of the case...

Yes, I have the case. I guess I need to take pictures for those of you that can't comprehend that part. If the case were perfectly sealed in the front then indeed the rear vents would serve as a means to bring in cooler air. Unfortunately it's not sealed so the exhaust fans pull from the entire upper chamber. There are also the front 5.25-inch bays that aren't sealed.

You talked about having an understanding but you totally missed the reality of that fact. I'd toss my entire rig back into it to prove you wrong but it would be a waste to someone as blind as you are.

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
The amount of air flow passing by my vid card makes a huge difference. Since it is passive as more air passes by more heat can be removed. Haven't you ever blown air on your hot food to cool it? The amount of air passing over my vid card is much more than when I had my other case. My vid card was 9 degrees higher in my other case. I just tried different fan speeds in my new case and going from medium speed to low speed increased the vid card temperature by 4 degrees C.

I don't care what you believe, but I'd like others to know how much difference a case can make when it is cooled properly. So move on joker, you aren't being constructive to this thread!

Sorry if you don't like the reality that this thread is about whether the P18X cases are good or not. I'm going to back up my opinion that the case is garbage. If you don't like it then suck it up and move on.

 

[Ozoneman]

Everyone,

Is this guy aways such an idiot? Is he really this stupid?

 

[Ozoneman]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: jonmcc33

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
Screw you! I know what I measured and what I said are the facts. One additional comment I should make is that my vid card is passively cooled (Gigabyte 8600GTS). Pulling more air through is why I think the card is much cooler now plus the mid front fan blows air at the vid card. My P182 has four 120 mm fans while my Cooler Master had 4 80 mm fans. So if you don't think a case can make a big difference in cooling, you are a nut case or not very well informed.

Um, one of those 120mm fans is in the lower bay so it doesn't count. Two of the 120mm fans are right above the CPU and for exhaust, which at low RPM will not effect something as far down as the video card. The other 120mm fan would be an intake of the upper bay and the front vent + filter restricts too much airflow for it to make a difference on the video card.

Check this out, I had a much hotter video card in there, a X1900XT. It didn't get cooler no matter case it was in. Unless you put a fan directly on the 8600GTS (heatpipe version, right?) then it's not going to drop an entire 9C just from some low RPM exhaust fans.

You're talking to someone that has that case so you can't BS me on it.

Just because you have a certain experience with a case doesn't mean everyone else will have an identical experience.

You need to pull your head out of your ass and realise that you are not the authority on what's what with someone elses system that you did not build, have never seen, have never worked on, have never seen operate and don't know jack shit about.

How the crap will I not have the same experience? The cases are identical in every way in the cooling department.

Have never seen? Last time I checked he did post pictures in this very thread of his system. Pay attention next time.

YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GO FROM THE SAME COOLER MASTER CASE TO A P182!!!!

 

[jonmcc33]

You pointed out that the case had 4x80mm fans in it! Do you know anything about adding up CFM at all?

If your case had a single 80mm low RPM fan and nothing else I might believe you. But an average 80mm fan can do 30-40CFM of air on average. So you have anywhere from 120-160CFM of air flow in that Cooler Master case and it's going to make a huge difference inside a P180 that has mainly exhaust airflow only?

Heck, the Sonata II that I had used a single 120mm low RPM fan. I think I can compare if not WORSE than 4x80mm fans.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Ozoneman
Everyone,

Is this guy aways such an idiot? Is he really this stupid?

Ah, resorting to kiddie insults and other's opinions since you have nothing to stand on yourself. Sorry, won't work on me. You're full of crap and you know it.

 

[Ozoneman]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
You pointed out that the case had 4x80mm fans in it! Do you know anything about adding up CFM at all?

If your case had a single 80mm low RPM fan and nothing else I might believe you. But an average 80mm fan can do 30-40CFM of air on average. So you have anywhere from 120-160CFM of air flow in that Cooler Master case and it's going to make a huge difference inside a P180 that has mainly exhaust airflow only?

Heck, the Sonata II that I had used a single 120mm low RPM fan. I think I can compare if not WORSE than 4x80mm fans.

I don't know why I'm bothering, but I'll try one more time. You added up the 4 80mm fans to get 120-160 CFM airflow through the Cooler Master case. Let's start over. First of all two of the fans on the Cooler Master were input and two were exhaust. The 80 mm fans I had were Vantec Stealth which have a flow of 27 CFM. So I had 54 CFM being pushed in to the Cooler Master case from the front and 54 CFM being pulled out the back and top. That totals only 54 CFM of air going throught the case. The same 54 CFM coming in is the same 54 CFM going out. So there was no where near 120-160 CFM of air flow through the Cooler Master case as you stated. The Cooler Master had a flow of 54 CFM through it. It is simple math which I guess you didn't do so well in.

Second, my P182 doesn't "mainly have exhaust airflow only". It has two 120 mm fans exhausting and one 120 mm fan inputting air in the mobo area. At medium speed a Antec Tricool fan puts out 53 CFM. So with two 120 mm exhaust fans that is 106 CFM of air flow through the case. The input fan is supplying 53 CFM and the other 53 CFM is being pulled through the back vents and other openings. By the way, why do you think Antec put the vents on the back panel? Could it be that a much more educated engineer designed the P182? Someone more educated than you?

So I have twice as much airflow through the mobo area of the P182 case than I did with the Cooler Master case. This will cool the vid card as well as the other components much better.

Do you get it yet?

I hope you finally realize you don't know what you are talking about now that I've shown you that you are making statements that are completely incorrect. I don't need to resort to insults to make you look bad. You're doing a great job of that by yourself. Feel free to sling your off the wall comments. If you don't see your mistakes, then I'm through with you. I and others here don't need to hear your nonsense any longer. Please go away!

 

[PCTC2]

I just got my P182 and I love it. Period.

 

[Navid]

If you don't like the case, don't use it.
If you like the case, enjoy it.

These forums are for exchange of opinions (people have different opinions).
If you cannot do that, in a civil manner, stay away, for your own peace of mind and that of others!

 

[MarcVenice]

There is a difference between saying the case sucks, or saying I love it. The first is a statement of what could be considered a fact, which in many eyes would be seen as false. I love it, would be an opinion, just clearing that up. And from an empirical point of view, I very much doubt you can argue that the p182 sucks, if you were to do a scientific test with a lot of other cases I'm pretty sure it will come out on top with perhaps a few other cases. Might not suit your needs, fine, but sucks, I disagree.

 

[Navid]

One thing I find strange with it is that even though it has filters on the intake fans at the bottom front, the intake at the rear bottom is through the PCI covers (they have openings in them), which is not filtered!

I find it extremely heavy.

I really like the PSU at the bottom.

I don't like that I have to leave the door open so that I can see the hard drive LED.

 

[MarcVenice]

Intake on the rear bottom ? I checked, and if you place a piece of toiletpaper against it, it does more or less get sucked in, but without much force at all. I guess that's why, probably a side effect? The case is heavy, but it's nothing I can't lift tbh. I can see older men with back problems struggling with it, but that's it really. As for the HD led, I think I actually like it being behind the door, because when I sleep I won't see the constant flickering of the HD light.

Oh, and the top fan also becomes an intake if you remove that fan, which I did ...

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Intake on the rear bottom ?

Yes. Click on this link and then click on Demo Animation. A new window pops up. In that, click on Quiet Computing. Then, click on the first link in the left pane ("Isolated power supply chamber .......").
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81820
It shows the air flow. Look at the blue arrow coming in from the left .



If you are going to allow unfiltered air to enter your case, you might as well remove the filters from the intake fans to improve air flow.

I have blocked the openings on the PCI slot covers with Scotch tape.
I have left my top fan and I have set it to the minimum speed. So, it is still exhaust but very low air flow.

Overall, I am happy with the case.

 

[MarcVenice]

Oh I'm happy with it as well, and the front dust filers DO filter quite a bit of dust. I vacuum clean them everytime I vacuum clean the room. I had to remove the topfan because I destroyed the fan inside my PSU. Long story, it was noisy as hell, and I simply replaced it with the antec tricool that used to sit at the top I don't like how my 8800gts warms up though, I might install a fan in the middle front to supply the videocard will cool air.

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
and the front dust filers DO filter quite a bit of dust. I vacuum clean them everytime I vacuum clean the room.

The dust that you see on the filter would enter the case if the filter was not there. That's what happens through your top fan and your PCI covers. Dust enters your case through those large openings.
With those openings, I am not sure if the filters on the intake fans make much difference on the final outcome (amount of dust accumulated inside the case). But, I am sure that they reduce the amount of air intake.

 

[Ozoneman]

Originally posted by: Navid
If you don't like the case, don't use it.
If you like the case, enjoy it.

These forums are for exchange of opinions (people have different opinions).
If you cannot do that, in a civil manner, stay away, for your own peace of mind and that of others!

These forums are also to help others and pass information on to others that are looking for it. The other guy attacked me and I simply responded. I don't like being called a liar. I am sorry that you and others had to be part of it.

 

[Ozoneman]

Originally posted by: Navid

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
and the front dust filers DO filter quite a bit of dust. I vacuum clean them everytime I vacuum clean the room.

The dust that you see on the filter would enter the case if the filter was not there. That's what happens through your top fan and your PCI covers. Dust enters your case through those large openings.
With those openings, I am not sure if the filters on the intake fans make much difference on the final outcome (amount of dust accumulated inside the case). But, I am sure that they reduce the amount of air intake.

I look at it this way. At least the filters are preventing the dust that collects on them from getting in the case. Yes, you get dust in the case from the vents and other openings, but not as much as you would if you removed the filters from the front. My son has a Antec 900 case, now that is an unfiltered case!

 

[Navid]

Originally posted by: Ozoneman

Originally posted by: Navid

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
and the front dust filers DO filter quite a bit of dust. I vacuum clean them everytime I vacuum clean the room.

The dust that you see on the filter would enter the case if the filter was not there. That's what happens through your top fan and your PCI covers. Dust enters your case through those large openings.
With those openings, I am not sure if the filters on the intake fans make much difference on the final outcome (amount of dust accumulated inside the case). But, I am sure that they reduce the amount of air intake.

I look at it this way. At least the filters are preventing the dust that collects on them from getting in the case. Yes, you get dust in the case from the vents and other openings, but not as much as you would if you removed the filters from the front. My son has a Antec 900 case, now that is an unfiltered case!

You may be right.

One thing I have not done yet is to compare cooling with the PCI covers closed (with Scotch tape) and open.
Has anyone done the comparison?

 

[Ozoneman]

Navid, how many fans are you using? And are they intake or exhaust? What speeds are they set at?

 

[de8212]

Still haven't unpacked my p182 yet but have plans to tomorrow. A few related questions for anyone that can help.

What kind of fan should I get to attach to the hard drive rack in the upper chamber. Just another antec tri-cool or other?

I have a sunbeam fan controller I bought for another build that I never used. Would it be better to control all 4 fans (top, rear, lower chamber, upper chamber) with this instead of the fan adjustment that comes with the p182? I guess it may be personal preference, just curious what opinions are on this?

 

[Navid]

I have the top exhaust fan (Antec tri) at minimum speed, the rear exhaust fan (replaced with a Scythe) on a fan controller. That one runs at a much higher rate.
Have a quiet (L) Yate Loon fan installed in the middle of the lower chamber blowing towards the PSU (intake).
Have a Scythe fan installed on the top drive rack (empty) right behind the graphics card blowing towards the graphics card (intake).

So, I do not have any fans right at the front of the case to keep the fans away from me (for quiet).

I have closed all the gaps and openings on the case with Scotch tape.

The hard drives (3 Seagates) installed in the lower chamber cage. Their temperature maxes at 39 when the drive is active (backup time).
They are at about 37 at idle.

E6600, cooled with lapped Freezer 7 pro and mounted by Thermalright bolt-through kit, runs at 370 X 9 (39% overclock) with temps reaching 62 (reported by Everest) under dual core load (Orthos).

7900 GTO cooled with VF900 maxes at 60 C under load.

Room temp is 26 degrees C.

All fans, other than the Yate Loon L, are on a fan controller and I set each to get the lowest temps at lowest overall noise.

 

[Ozoneman]

It sound like you have pretty good control of the temps and noise with your fan controller. The reason I asked about your fans was because I was going to try to figure out how much air you had coming in and going out of your case. But since you are able to optimize your temps and noise with the fan controller, there is no need now. I've thought about using an add on fan controller too so I could fine tune my fan speeds.

Something else you might think about is, are you pulling more air in than pushing air out? Because if you pull more air in, those vents become exhaust ports and you don't have to worry about dust being pulled in.

 

[jaded25]

Great wiring in your case ozoneman. I just received the same case with the custom window panel from performancepcs yesterday. It fits everything perfectly.