To Meddle or Not to Meddle - interesting commentary on Iran

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: seemingly random
The good times started in mid-2003 and went through mid-2007.

I seem to remember a tax cut around 2003 on the "wealthy" and investments (capital gains)...
I could be wrong.....

There were so many tax cuts, rebates, medical handouts for seniors, etc that they are a blur. I wonder who's going to eventually pay for them.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Hell, Fascism was an attempt to replace sky-beardo religion with the religion of the state, but now you're claiming that a religious organization is fascist. Ridiculous.

Fascist movements looked to usurp the power of the Church, but many were deeply routed in religion. Which brings me to a little known fact; the metaphorical concept by which the term "fascism" was derived comes straight from the Bible.

I agree, they were rooted in religion but were certainly not OF the religion. After using the help of the church to gain power, they turned against it.

I just find it strange to attempt to conflate a movement that was most decidedly anti-religious with a theocratic one.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
1. LOL, you retarded idiots really think the US had ANYTHING to do with the fall of the USSR? It was a fucking revolution by the people. It's just as stupid as thinking the A-bombs were neccessary after agreeing to the exact same deal you got before they were launched.

2. I'd suggest you don't fuck up any more nations. Contrary to popular belief, being for going to war while never having the intention to participate isn't patriotic, it's just pathetic and makes you a coward with a big mouth.

JoS, haven't you figured out by now...the Republican majority makes up the Chickenhawk brigade...a bunch of cowardly armchair warriors who are all for war...as long as someone else has to fight in it...The majority of Republican politicans have never served...yet they clamor for war at the drop of a campaign contribution.
On the other hand, a large percentage of Democrats in office HAVE served in the armed forces...yet for the most part, they seem to believe there should be a higher standard for committing our troops to battle in a foreign land....as do I and many of the other "lefties" on this board.

I know this list is a bit dated...but it proves my point:
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

 

[cumhail]

Half of the problems we have with Iran, and that they have with us, are either direct or indirect results of our country's last attempt to effect a regime change in Iran. Unhappy with the results of their first democratic election, the Eisenhower administration authorized the CIA to back a coup de etat, help overthrow the secular government and their democratically-elected Prime Minister, and install the Shah, whose reign was so brutal to his own people that it makes Saddam and Kim Jong-il look like puppy dogs, in comparison.

And what wonderful things did this lead to? The Islamic Revolution of 1979, the hostage crisis, and more than half a century of enmity from both sides, along with distrust of the US on the part of many other countries throughout the Middle East and beyond.

But sure, why not. Let's keep right on with it. If it ain't broke, after all, you're just not trying hard enough.

edit: fixed what should have read "after all," in the last sentence.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: cumhail
Half of the problems we have with Iran, and that they have with us, are either direct or indirect results of our country's last attempt to effect a regime change in Iran. Unhappy with the results of their first democratic election, the Eisenhower administration authorized the CIA to back a coup de etat, help overthrow the secular government and their democratically-elected Prime Minister, and install the Shah, whose reign was so brutal to his own people that it makes Saddam and Kim Jong-il look like puppy dogs, in comparison.

And what wonderful things did this lead to? The Islamic Revolution of 1979, the hostage crisis, and more than half a century of enmity from both sides, along with distrust of the US on the part of many other countries throughout the Middle East and beyond.

But sure, why not. Let's keep right on with it. If it ain't broke, after, you're just not trying hard enough.

True.


PS. You don't have that many posts, but you may have the most unforgettable name on AT. The mental imagery "Cum Hail" inspires is just down right disturbing. I want to clorox the inside of my skull... lol :beer::thumbsup:

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Bitek



PS. You don't have that many posts, but you may have the most unforgettable name on AT. The mental imagery "Cum Hail" inspires is just down right disturbing. I want to clorox the inside of my skull... lol :beer::thumbsup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumhail

 

[Lemon law]

I have to agree that disparaging someone's chosen andand tech name is a foolish side distraction, either agree or disagree with what the poster posted and be done with it.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have to agree that disparaging someone's chosen andand tech name is a foolish side distraction, either agree or disagree with what the poster posted and be done with it.

Eh, I certainly took no offense at his post. I just figured that he (and likely some others) might not be familiar with the Celtic myth/legend that I took my username from and provided a link for reference.

But to get back on topic, I can't help but wonder if the question is not so much if we should be getting involved as if we already are. As I made reference to, we did it at least once before in Iran (Operation Ajax), we did it in Guatamala (Operation PBSUCCESS and PBFORTUNE), we did it in Nicaragua, in Panama, and Iraq. We tried to do it in Cuba, as well... and I'm sure there are countless other cases where we tried and/or succeeded that we don't know about or I'm not including here. So I don't think one has to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that our government would be willing and able to do it again.

 

[Aimster]

Why not just print a ton of counterfeit Iranian bills and flood their economy? Seriously

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Why not just print a ton of counterfeit Iranian bills and flood their economy? Seriously

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Because we will get caught at it, and besides, when the forces of Iranian moderation is on the rise, why screw up a good thing?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Why not just print a ton of counterfeit Iranian bills and flood their economy? Seriously

Why are the thinking patterns of gangsters and armchair foreign policy commentators so similar? Seriously? What the hell gives you the right to attack their country that way?

 

[piasabird]

I think now is the time for a two pronged invasion of Iran. We could back the kurds in the north and promise them their own portion of Iran as a permanent Kurdish Homeland and autonomy. Then we could offer The opposition to the Mullahs a training camp where we could supply them in Afghanistan. With special forces help and their own intelligence data an all out attack on Iran could be carried out by Irranian Freedom Fighters and Kurdish freedom fighters. All we would have to do is provide some air support on the 2 borders and a few special forces and some supplies of Light arms and some mortars and some sniper rifles and some stinger missles.

100 well targeted cruise missles and some of those low flying Predator drones would really help also. Just think of the Economy push this would do for our Defense Industry.

I say strike while their country is in Chaos.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: piasabird

I think now is the time for a two pronged invasion of Iran. We could back the kurds in the north and promise them their own portion of Iran as a permanent Kurdish Homeland and autonomy. Then we could offer The opposition to the Mullahs a training camp where we could supply them in Afghanistan. With special forces help and their own intelligence data an all out attack on Iran could be carried out by Irranian Freedom Fighters and Kurdish freedom fighters. All we would have to do is provide some air support on the 2 borders and a few special forces and some supplies of Light arms and some mortars and some sniper rifles and some stinger missles.

100 well targeted cruise missles and some of those low flying Predator drones would really help also. Just think of the Economy push this would do for our Defense Industry.

I say strike while their country is in Chaos.

Craig234's reply to Aimster applies to you, as well. He said:

Why are the thinking patterns of gangsters and armchair foreign policy commentators so similar? Seriously? What the hell gives you the right to attack their country that way?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think now is the time for a two pronged invasion of Iran. We could back the kurds in the north and promise them their own portion of Iran as a permanent Kurdish Homeland and autonomy. Then we could offer The opposition to the Mullahs a training camp where we could supply them in Afghanistan. With special forces help and their own intelligence data an all out attack on Iran could be carried out by Irranian Freedom Fighters and Kurdish freedom fighters. All we would have to do is provide some air support on the 2 borders and a few special forces and some supplies of Light arms and some mortars and some sniper rifles and some stinger missles.

100 well targeted cruise missles and some of those low flying Predator drones would really help also. Just think of the Economy push this would do for our Defense Industry.

I say strike while their country is in Chaos.

Is there a difference between Chaos and chaos? Please Illuminate me. Maybe you meant cHaOS.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn



Brought to you by the same neosocialist jackoffs who continue to pimp the Bushwhackos' war of LIES in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Credibility = 0

Fixed

OK. Since you brought it up, please prove that your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals DIDN'T lie to hijack the nation into their war of LIES in Iraq.

Then, you can show us where I ever said we shouldn't have gone after Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, who actually DID attack us on 9-11, and the Taliban, who gave them shelter in Afganistan.

Then, you can explain exactly what a "neosocialist" is... if you even know.

If you want to know what a jackoff is, just look in the mirror. :laugh:

Proof of burden is with you to prove guilt..basic american judicial 101

I hear one of your songs was downloaded illegally and the RIAA ordered you to pay the downloader 1.9 million.:laugh:

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I have to agree that disparaging someone's chosen andand tech name is a foolish side distraction, either agree or disagree with what the poster posted and be done with it.

Eh, I certainly took no offense at his post. I just figured that he (and likely some others) might not be familiar with the Celtic myth/legend that I took my username from and provided a link for reference.

....

Ha! I thought you were trying to be deliberately vulgar, and was complimenting your cleverness at it. I can say with 100% certainty that Celtic myth was no where in that mental picture. More something like the Empire St building, King Kong, the 50ft Woman, and throngs of screaming pedestrians down below.... but I digress.

I stand corrected.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I think now is the time for a two pronged invasion of Iran. We could back the kurds in the north and promise them their own portion of Iran as a permanent Kurdish Homeland and autonomy. Then we could offer The opposition to the Mullahs a training camp where we could supply them in Afghanistan. With special forces help and their own intelligence data an all out attack on Iran could be carried out by Irranian Freedom Fighters and Kurdish freedom fighters. All we would have to do is provide some air support on the 2 borders and a few special forces and some supplies of Light arms and some mortars and some sniper rifles and some stinger missles.

100 well targeted cruise missles and some of those low flying Predator drones would really help also. Just think of the Economy push this would do for our Defense Industry.

I say strike while their country is in Chaos.

Is this a serious post or something overheard from 14 year olds playing in the park? Where does Gi Joe fit in?

 

[ProfJohn]

Perhaps we should come back to this question in 6 months when this attempted revolution has failed and we are back to the status quo.

I am completely against getting involved now, at least publicly. We should provide moral support and such, but we should not allow the mullahs to use us as a public enemy.

If this revolution fails then we should make it our goal to replace the mullahs with a legit publicly elected government and we should do everything short of violence to make it happen.

We should squeeze our politically allies into supporting us via trade embargoes and other economic activities.