To intel or not to Intel ?

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: bim27142
depends on your application.... don't be carried away by their names and royalties and blah blah blah... its just marketing for heavens' sake, they both make excelent processors if you just carefully tailor it to your needs and apps...and for most typical users out there, they cant even notice any performance difference... 🙂

Yeah prescHOTt are excelent processors for warming the winter. JA JA JA JA...:laugh:

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: dug777
lol

looks like you dont even need a thread title like 'AMD/Intel/ATI?NV sux0rs w00t' to get a little flamewar going 😉 And that FelixDeKat bloke can be guaranteed to in the middle of one when they start- when i see his name as in the last poster column when i log on- i go straight to that thread, a chuckle is almost a certainty 🙂 Cheers for making my regular visits here all the more amusing 🙂)

It woudn't happen if Felix won't exist.

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: kreb
Fact that AMD is getting pwned:
Fortune 500 Rank ......... 2003 Revenues
53. Intel Corp. ............. $30,141,000
473. AMD Inc. ............... $3,519,000

I agree with the OP, and I really couldn't care less which I buy (well when I buy). It all depends on the price/performance issue for me...Although I may spend a little bit more (Intel) to get an advantage on media encoding and content creation.

/happily running on an AMD XP1600+ btw 😀

Based on this logic, if microsoft made a processor, theirs will automatically be better. Same applies if they make cars, speakers, fish food, and lets not forget humans! Sense they have a bigger income then any of us, they are better at making humans also! Man we should just start worshiping microsoft because we all know that god isnt a rich man like bill is! 😉

 

[kreb]

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: kreb
Fact that AMD is getting pwned:
Fortune 500 Rank ......... 2003 Revenues
53. Intel Corp. ............. $30,141,000
473. AMD Inc. ............... $3,519,000

I agree with the OP, and I really couldn't care less which I buy (well when I buy). It all depends on the price/performance issue for me...Although I may spend a little bit more (Intel) to get an advantage on media encoding and content creation.

/happily running on an AMD XP1600+ btw 😀

Based on this logic, if microsoft made a processor, theirs will automatically be better. Same applies if they make cars, speakers, fish food, and lets not forget humans! Sense they have a bigger income then any of us, they are better at making humans also! Man we should just start worshiping microsoft because we all know that god isnt a rich man like bill is! 😉

😕 Who said bigger revenues meant a better product? I was comparing revenues, and it doesn't take a genius (at least it shouldn't...) to figure out that AMD still has a long way to go in capturing market share.

Your logic is better served that the Xbox is automatically better than a PS2 or GC, and there you can make an arguable case!

 

[Vee]

Originally posted by: jimmy43
I have to give AMD tremendous credit. How can a company thats 10x smaller than Intel have better products.. at cheaper prices?! It boggles my mind. Anyhow, theyr recent string of successes should place them in a more respectable position. AMD's image of a clone/copycat/imitation company is over. Their recent innovations have been amazing, from their on-die memory controller to their incredible A64's. This is true pioneering work. If it were up to Intel, 64 bit technology would be far off in the horizon and we'd be running a 10ghz processors with a 400 stage pipeline with 1 IPC.

I agree. It is scary to think of a world without AMD.

Heres what i think of the future of intel though:

If you think about, Intel, up until the p4, was the better company. Their p3 cpus were fantastic and blew away AMDs crappy k6's. Then came the p4. Intel wanted to crank up the mghz as that is what people expected, and thats where it all started going very very wrong. AMD brought out the incredible k7's which smoked the p4's, so Intel went back and made A BIGGER PIPELINE to crank up the ghz again. Mistake. The p4 is one big mistake. Its ok for a company to make a bad product. It DOESNT make it a BAD COMPANY. Intel is not shit/crap/garbage. Theyr a great company which is more than capable of innovating, inventing, and they are more than capable of being at the forefront of technology. And I think this is exactly what they will do with their next cpu. I honestly expect a great product from them. Think about it this way. It's just like network television. Once a show is cancelled, it can never come back. Networks aren't going to publicly admit that they made a mistake (except ofcoarse for FamilyGuy which is classic), since this will hurt their image more, which in turn make them less money. Image is more important. Intel is right in not admitting the p4 is a failiure. It's obviosly quite apparent to everyone who knows even a little bit about technology. Still, its better to bite their tungue and market a crappy product.
Anyhow, a company the size of intel will not repeat mistakes. They have a much much much bigger R&D department than AMD and thus, i expect their next chip to be nothing short of incredible. Im not talking about the dual cores here, those are just p4s stuck together. Having said all this, STOP BASHING INTEL. are you all fanboys gonna bash AMD when Intels next cpu blows it away? But, ofcoarse, i have no problem with the bashing of the p4's.

Just my thoughts...What do you guys think?😕

I only got on the AMD train, 1½-2 years ago myself. Generally agree. But I think your history is not quite on the mark. PII and PIII are essentially the same architecture. The 'P6'. PIII only adds SSE. AMD's corresponding generations were the K6s, which I would not call crappy, by any means. It didn't have pipelined FP unit though. Which meant it suffered somewhat, on FP-benchmarks, 3D-engines and linpack, compared with 'P6'. Then came the K7, with massive FP-boost, massive caches and high clocks. Intel's first answer to that was the PIIIe, with higher clockrates and smaller, faster L2 cache. Which still wasn't quite up to competing with K7.

Then came the Pentium4 ('P7'). I immediately noticed something was terribly wrong. Because I was on software that runs almost twice as fast (per clock) on PIII and AMD. Such is the power of brand names, IT posers and benchmarking bullshit, that it took several generations of P4s and repeated disappointments, before I saw the light and tried AMD. I have material for several threads about all the bullshit about AMD, that floats around in the IT industry. Even my software provider recommends Intel !?! :Q Ask why, and you get some incredible, ultra-ignorant childishly immature statements about AMD getting "too hot", and being "unstable". And this even from a CEO. First of all, it's the exact opposite, Intel runs hotter since the XP2200+, and anyway, if a CPU becomes too hot, regardless of brand, the problem is obviously NOT the CPU, but the PC-builder's competence! I've told them, the software, they're agents for, runs better on AMD (still, despite a recent effort at P4-optimization). Their eyes goes blank and uncomprehending, I get some kinder, diplomatic version of "you're a woman/user - we are experienced professionals - you don't understand this", and they mumble about Intel laboratory tests, SYSMark, PCMark or some other idiocy. I mean: - Brother! :roll: And anyway, the whole industry embrace the same beliefs, so they must be right.

I'm cured for life now. But I think VIA may have made AMD some real disservice, with some early, unfortunate chipsets. Apparently, people are not capable of separating issues with mainboard from CPU-issues. And Intel's benchmarking strategy is really working! (except for on AT'ers, of course 😉 )

I'm going to have a long hard look at Intel '6x0' series (64-bit Prescott with 2MB L2, with newer lower latency DDR2, could be interesting), but I'm fairly convinced my next 2 generations are going to be AMD too. Beyond that, who can say. But I'm - now - likely to want to support AMD, as long as they are the underdog. So as long as there's no significant difference...
I expect much from Intel's future Conroe, but it's up against the K9.

Intel's strategies and business practices are foul enough, IMO, to deserve some Intel bashing. Got no big problem with that.

OH Felix come on man stop wasting forum space.

(Agree: Felix was an OCer that once posted a thread about his results with his new P4EE. ...And got a ton of, uncalled for, abuse dumbed upon him by, ...well AMD'ers. He seem to be on a mission of vengeance since. I wish he'd call it a day, and be done with it. Because it is really boring. 🙁 )

 

[AdamK47]

There seems to be a lot of misguided information going around this CPU/Overclocking forum. The simple response is "AMD is better" reguardless of any factors for that position. I've been a member of Anandtech for many years and I've noticed a disturbing trend. The articles and reviews tend to draw a lot of fanboyism. People will post simple uninformed responses with the idea that the articles and reviews here will back up their position, no matter how fanboyish their replies are. It's sad side affect of the Anandtech forums. Can't people enjoy what they buy without being assaulted with these kind of comments?

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: Vee

(Agree: Felix was an OCer that once posted a thread about his results with his new P4EE. ...And got a ton of, uncalled for, abuse dumbed upon him by, ...well AMD'ers. He seem to be on a mission of vengeance since. I wish he'd call it a day, and be done with it. Because it is really boring. 🙁 )

*Cue VH1 music* And now back to "Felix...Behind the Troll."

 

[Adn4n]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
There seems to be a lot of misguided information going around this CPU/Overclocking forum. The simple response is "AMD is better" reguardless of any factors for that position. I've been a member of Anandtech for many years and I've noticed a disturbing trend. The articles and reviews tend to draw a lot of fanboyism. People will post simple uninformed responses with the idea that the articles and reviews here will back up their position, no matter how fanboyish their replies are. It's sad side affect of the Anandtech forums. Can't people enjoy what they buy without being assaulted with these kind of comments?

He asked a question, we answered!

 

[stratman]

If you want a value desktop, I'd say AMD is better, so I was planning on getting an A64 or a Sempron 3100+. But I jumped on the $750 off dell laptop deal, so my next proc will be a 1.6 ghz pentium M (dothan 725).