To buy a HSF for an e2200 or not to buy....

Everyone

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Hi guys, I've been reading this site for... uh... years (longer than I can remember really!) but I've finally got a question that I can't decide for myself and I figure I'll ask for some input.

I just updated my system to get out of the old AGP rut I was stuck in.
Went from an old A64 3200+ and x1950GT to:

e2200 w/ stock HSF
GIGABYTE GA-P35-S3G
2 x 1gb Gskill ddr2 800 4-4-3-5
XFX 8800GT 512mb (with the AC S1 fanless I previously had on my x1950GT)

all inside an Antec P180, a couple old IDE HDs, a SB Audigy 2, powered by an Antec TruPower430 (I can predict the groans at the power source, but the 8800GT recommends a 450W, and this 430 handled my OC'd x1950gt fine which had many people saying it wouldn't run without an 'omg 700W+ PSU!', so I'm not a member of the uber PSU bandwagon :frown: ).

Stock speeds were stable for 8 hours on orthos blend/fur render, but OCing isn't going very well. I was hoping I could hit 3.0ghz stable, though I'm very new to the business.

The processor runs stably at 250 x 11 for 2.75ghz, but I can't get it above that. I first tried for 3ghz, using 9, 10, and 11 multipliers and vcore settings between stock (1.3125) and 1.45v. The best I managed was to get Orthos to run for 5 seconds before halting, and that was using 9 x 333, and 1.45v. The processors were idling however around 45C, and the second I turned on Orthos they went to around 60C. 2.85ghz was the same story.

I'd kind of like a tad more performance out of the processor, though I am aware of how little real world gain this'll get me. But I'm toying with the idea of buying something like the AC freezer 7... my question is if anyone thinks this would be a good idea, perhaps enabling me to hit 3.0ghz stable, or if it probably won't help at all?

Orthos is currently running in the background on blend and the processors have been sitting around 55-57C for a while now. I have that OpenGL Fur render going simultaneously and my 8800gt is posting 51C running at 725/1025 (shoutout to the S1!). From all I've read, mid 50s load is pretty hot for a pentium dual-core, especially one running at 2.75ghz on 1.3125 vcore.

One last question as well: Ive never been able to bring myself to slog through a technical article on RAM timings. The default my mobo set the RAM at was 5-5-5-15, and since Anand mentioned in an earlier guide that this same set OC'd well even with 4-4-4-12 (which I assume is faster than 5-5-5-15!) I went ahead and set them to that... but their technical specs list them as 4-4-3-5 timing. This seems pretty drastically different... what's the deal? Should I manually put them all the way down to those timings?

I know I'm long winded, so to anyone who made it through the post, thanks in advance!
 

PolymerTim

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Not sure about your overclock issues, but can you post a link to your RAM. Those timings don't sound right.
 

Cheex

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Originally posted by: PolymerTim
Not sure about your overclock issues, but can you post a link to your RAM. Those timings don't sound right.

His timings are okay. I had that same pair of RAM.

It is the: F2-6400CL4D-2GBHK


PS: I would like to welcome Everyone to the forum!!....;):p:thumbsup::beer:
 

PolymerTim

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Cool, I didn't know they could do that. I thought there was some rule about the fourth number being the sum of two of the others +2 or something like that. Learn something new every day.
 

Everyone

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The bios has a setting to that automatically picks a divider for the RAM, and it tells you how fast the RAM will run while still inside the bios, so I pick the closest thing to 800mhz that I can depending on the system FSB. At the moment the FSB is going at 246 (so 2.7ghz, I downclocked just a tiny bit) and the RAM is at 410mhz (so 820 total). This is still running 4-4-4-12 timings. If those really low ones that are specified are actually real, I guess I'll go change the timings to that, since lower is better right? :p

Thanks for the welcome. :)
 

jdkick

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I'm curious about the HSF as well. I'm still running my E2200 stock at the moment but would like to push it a little higher.
 

jdkick

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I'm thinking that a better cooler would be beneficial for the E2200 - i'm seeing idle/load temps of 33/57 at stock settings with the stock fan. Something affordable tho... part of the appeal of the E2xxx line is the price point.

I've been looking at solutions like the Thermalright Ultra-90 w/ a Yate Loon. I've seen a few sale prices on the Scythe Ninja Plus (Rev. B). I'd like to give the Kingwin Revolution a try but can only find stock on the 92mm model (RVT-9225) in Canada. There's no sign of the 120mm version (RVT-12025), which has better/more consistent reviews.
 

Cheex

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Originally posted by: Everyone
The bios has a setting to that automatically picks a divider for the RAM, and it tells you how fast the RAM will run while still inside the bios, so I pick the closest thing to 800mhz that I can depending on the system FSB. At the moment the FSB is going at 246 (so 2.7ghz, I downclocked just a tiny bit) and the RAM is at 410mhz (so 820 total). This is still running 4-4-4-12 timings. If those really low ones that are specified are actually real, I guess I'll go change the timings to that, since lower is better right? :p

Thanks for the welcome. :)

That sounds fine. The 4-4-3-5 timings on that memory are in fact the stock timings.
Mine did 900 @ 4-4-4-10 @ 2.1V although I'm sure they can go higher, my board was holding me back.
Very nice memory!!

PS: You are welcome for the welcome...:p


Originally posted by: jdkick
I'm curious about the HSF as well. I'm still running my E2200 stock at the moment but would like to push it a little higher.

Originally posted by: jdkick
I'm thinking that a better cooler would be beneficial for the E2200 - i'm seeing idle/load temps of 33/57 at stock settings with the stock fan. Something affordable tho... part of the appeal of the E2xxx line is the price point.

I've been looking at solutions like the Thermalright Ultra-90 w/ a Yate Loon. I've seen a few sale prices on the Scythe Ninja Plus (Rev. B). I'd like to give the Kingwin Revolution a try but can only find stock on the 92mm model (RVT-9225) in Canada. There's no sign of the 120mm version (RVT-12025), which has better/more consistent reviews.

The Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro is probably the BEST, cheap air cooler for Intel CPUs.

My father bought an E2200 also and wants to fool around with a little overclocking...so...
I recommended that he should buy that cooler along with it. I'll be setting up his new rig on the weekend.

Great cooler!!
 

DSF

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I would loosen the timings to 5-5-5-15 and make sure your RAM voltage is 2.0 or 2.1, which is what those sticks are supposed to have, I believe. See if that lets you overclock any higher. With temps only in the mid-50s, I don't know that I'd blame heat just yet. I'd certainly try free solutions before I went out and bought a new cooler.
 

krnmastersgt

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Personally I prefer to sync my ram speed to my fsb, of course since I'm running 400fsb it comes out to the 800mhz that PC-6400 should run at. Just my opinion.
 

Capt Caveman

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I have a 2180 with an Abit IP35-Pro and 4x1gb of Crucial DDR2-800 that is running at 3ghz (300x10) on the stock cooler. I'm using 1.3875v and at load the temps hit 49c.


 

Nessism

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Have a E2200 in one box and highest I could get out of it w/stock cooling is 266 x 11 = 2.92GHz at 1.41v in bios. Didn't want to take the voltage any higher than this. Temps peaked in the range of 55C.

Posting this to indicate that not all E2xxx chips hit the crazy clock speeds some people brag about.

Since upgraded the cooler to an old XP-120 so I'm going to have another go but I'll be happy to hit 3GHz at 1.40v.
 

DaSinical1

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I had a e2200 at stock voltage & it went to 3.2ghz using a cooler master hyper tx & shin g751. Load temps were around 49c & idle temps were around 20c. I could go to 3.3ghz with a slight bump to voltage. This was using an ip35-e though.
 

jjmIII

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I just got a retail e2160 and it came with the small HSF like the celerons!
My old e2140 came with a full size retail fan. I wonder when Intel switched??

I'm using my retail HSF from a q6600 on the e2160 anyhow.
Can't wait to see how high it will go. It was running so cool in the bios, that the fan would stop spinning :).
 

VirtualLarry

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I just got an E2160 from NewEgg. You scared me for a moment. I checked and my heatsink is the normal full-size all-aluminum stock heatsink.

My E2200 did come with the half-size heatsink though. Too bad Intel is switching, that's going to kill off OCing with the stock heatsink.
 

jdkick

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Hmm, if Intel is juggling heatsinks that could explain my temps... the stock heatsink I received with my E2200 is not terribly substantial.