how long did it actually take for you guys to be proficient in linux. i just installed rh9 and it's HELL. can't get partitions up, can't install a media player, etc. wonder how long it will take for me to be able to use linux like i am windows...
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Seriously, THat is one reason I don't like redhat...you don't learn anything.
Try a distribution such as Debain, gentoo, or a BSD so you have to go through the whole process of comfiguring/seting up your system.
Redhat was hell when I first messed with it becasue I couldn't og any further.
Now that I sort of know the basics redhat is an easy-to use and very well-done linux product
Try a distribution such as Debain, gentoo, or a BSD so you have to go through the whole process of comfiguring/seting up your system.
Redhat was hell when I first messed with it becasue I couldn't og any further.
Now that I sort of know the basics redhat is an easy-to use and very well-done linux product
Well, what I mean is, how long was the span of time between when you started learning to use windows, and when you considered yourself proficient with it?
Linux is gonan be similar, you're not going to pick it up overnight, but once you get used to it it's not hard.
Linux is gonan be similar, you're not going to pick it up overnight, but once you get used to it it's not hard.
For partitions you use fdisk. for the media player install xmms. what is etc? As for using Linux like windows..... have you tried mandrake yet?
Only do this if you're willing to spend time (a day) to get a little familiar with some linux stuff.
i have my drive partitioned, just having trouble mounting it. as for xmms, the site is down or something, i can't d/l from it. and i've tried mplayer and all these errors pop up when i try to install it. maybe i should try mandrake. i thought i would try to force myself to learn red hat since it's (at least from what i've heard) one of the most widely used flavors of linux, but i dont know crap...
I don't really know, it depends on what you mean by proficient. After a couple months I could do alot of basic stuff, but I wouldn't call that proficient. After a year and a half, I can do *almost* anything I would want to do, but as far as things that I don't deal with much (say... complex mail setups, building packages, I don't know, hard to think of these things, but trust me there are plenty 
), I am definitely not an expert. I am pretty much to the point where I am for the most part not going to get a ton more proficient as a *user*, what I need learn more of is administration and development (especially development, as that is the area that is pretty much infinite )
), I am definitely not an expert. I am pretty much to the point where I am for the most part not going to get a ton more proficient as a *user*, what I need learn more of is administration and development (especially development, as that is the area that is pretty much infinite )Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I don't really know, it depends on what you mean by proficient. After a couple months I could do alot of basic stuff, but I wouldn't call that proficient. After a year and a half, I can do *almost* anything I would want to do, but as far as things that I don't deal with much (say... complex mail setups, building packages, I don't know, hard to think of these things, but trust me there are plenty
yea, i pretty much want to be at the stage that you are, i guess this summer, it's going to be summer school, work, then linux! haha.
Mandrake confused the hell out of me, but once I gave Slackware a try in December 2001, I picked things up pretty quickly. Within 3 months I had completely rid myself of Windows.
Moral of the story: If you're serious about learning to use Linux, try Debian or Slackware.
Moral of the story: If you're serious about learning to use Linux, try Debian or Slackware.
Do you have a red hat CD? If not then go to Rpmfind and you should be able to get alot of extras here, but make sure that you download the red hat packages.
Trying to force yourself to learn red hat, just because its popular, isn't a really good idea. With Linux it helps to try out atleast a couple of distros before picking one, or atleast thats the way I like it.
Linux took me about 5 hours to learn the ins and outs of. A good portion of the time being what all the conf files did and what I could do by editing them. I had, imo, the most terrible looking httpd.conf ever created at the time. I mastered the little foibles inside the next few times I logged on...about 3 hours more. ran it as a workstation and server for about a year. Then I discovered the nightmare that is flash on unix. Went back to windows, bought a copy of flash and just stuck on windows for my workstation ever since. Since I discovered just how nice BSD unix is, however, I've completely abolished linux inside these walls. There isn't even a cd anymore. only things left are freebsd, openbsd, and windows.
My recommendation ... try freebsd. It's so very very very nice.
My recommendation ... try freebsd. It's so very very very nice.
Originally posted by: Electrode
Mandrake confused the hell out of me, but once I gave Slackware a try in December 2001, I picked things up pretty quickly. Within 3 months I had completely rid myself of Windows.
Moral of the story: If you're serious about learning to use Linux, try Debian or Slackware.
Yep. I used redhat off and on for a month or two, got annoyed, installed debian, had a hell of a time at first - BUT in those first few weeks I learned so much. You definitely gotta start idling in some irc channels, I was in #linuxhelp on efnet alot at first. Later on I was in #debian on freenode alot (been there somewhat regularly lately too). When you have a question you can ask it right away and you'll usually get help from at least one person within seconds. Invaluable. So many hours spent trying to get X working, trying to compile a kernel, up till sunrise, talking on irc, ah fond memories
Originally posted by: Electrode
Mandrake confused the hell out of me, but once I gave Slackware a try in December 2001, I picked things up pretty quickly. Within 3 months I had completely rid myself of Windows.
Moral of the story: If you're serious about learning to use Linux, try Debian or Slackware.
Heh, sounds like the story of my life, except I stuck around with Mandrake for about 6 months. IMHO, the best thing about Mandrake is that most of the times the install process just works. However, when I finally moved over to debian, I never missed any of Mandrake's config centers
I like Mandrake over RedHat, urpmi is not as good as apt but it's still decent.
For some strange reason, I don't like Redhat's Bluecurve I never seemed to get use to it. I like the purity of gnome 2.2 and KDE 3.1.
For some strange reason, I don't like Redhat's Bluecurve I never seemed to get use to it. I like the purity of gnome 2.2 and KDE 3.1.
took me two days, two books - running linux and linux network admin guide, a lot of hair pulling, and many reinstalls via vmware with slackware 8. in the end, it's worth it.
whoa, interesting stories folks. now i have to decide if i want to stay with rh9 or migrate to another one.
About 3 days, thought I had to take it hard way. One day I was in state "seen it" another I had to have running router/ftp/www server/squid. I couldn't do it that fast, but it went alright. What you need to learn in Linux is how things actually work, like recompiling kernel using config files instead GUI tools.
GUI tools tend to su*k most of the time, and you won't find them in all systems, so cli is your friend.
As for distro: I've tried RH 7,8 versions, mandrake 8,9, Lycoris etc. and to be honest for me they ar in state: "good till you find everything in cds".
I know what you are going through with installing mplayer for example. In the end, no matter what distro you'll choose you will have to compile something.
My advice: stick with Debian: debs are better than rmps, lots of developers use it, lots of knowledgable users use it (they will be able to help you) and thought starting might be painfull it will payoff, trust me
GUI tools tend to su*k most of the time, and you won't find them in all systems, so cli is your friend.
As for distro: I've tried RH 7,8 versions, mandrake 8,9, Lycoris etc. and to be honest for me they ar in state: "good till you find everything in cds".
I know what you are going through with installing mplayer for example. In the end, no matter what distro you'll choose you will have to compile something.
My advice: stick with Debian: debs are better than rmps, lots of developers use it, lots of knowledgable users use it (they will be able to help you) and thought starting might be painfull it will payoff, trust me
i second that. i dual boot freebsd and xp (still a few things that i find windows much better for ex. photoshop, adobe premier video editing stuff in generall). as far as learning curve i would say if you really get serious about it and have time for it, 14 days and you are rocking the boat, 5 years and you are *proficient.
*working with *nix in a competitive IT enviroment as a sysadmin is something else then compared to sitting home and messing around.
Yeah well depends, 2-3 work years in a competitive enviroment is defenitly ok, 5 years might seem long but there are things that you learn from experiance over time that are invaluble...heck my own mentor is a professor (with 20+ years) and has done stuff for the Internet sector development that is really impressive and he works evry now and then on Linux kernel development. When he talks evrybody listens, he tells me that he is still learning
Originally posted by: HarryAngel
Yeah well depends, 2-3 work years in a competitive enviroment is defenitly ok, 5 years might seem long but there are things that you learn from experiance over time that are invaluble...heck my own mentor is a professor (with 20+ years) and has done stuff for the Internet sector development that is really impressive and he works evry now and then on Linux kernel development. When he talks evrybody listens, he tells me that he is still learning
Yep, you never quit learning. That's why I'd say 2-3 years to become a decent sysadmin (depending on how "into it" you are during those 2-3 years) - but you'll never *stop* learning, there's always more to know.
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