Just wanted to know how many people ordered it and if anybody already received it and also if and when you put yourself on the wait list. I put myself down on 4/28 - not sure if tht qualifies me for the first shipment.
to all the people that have ordered the millenium glaciator...
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You better get a jack to hold that heatsink up I would try to support it somehow as it is way too heavy for the way they mount it. It is way outside of the AMD specs for weight.
AMD's specs are for all thier systems, including OEM, which they know will get shipped and moved around alot therfore causing a lot of movement from the sink. Plus they are being safe as well. The Glaciator can easily be supported by the socket A socket. According to Andrew during testing they dropped a system with the Glaciator on it from a few feet off the ground(don't remember the exact height, $pade might know) and it came otu without the sink falling off or breaking a clip thing off the socket. It should be fine.
GlobalWin's clips have been known to pry the plastic tab off the socket over time. I'd be wary of that possibility with this HSF.
Nothing smells quite like the nice smell of charred silicon.
Nothing smells quite like the nice smell of charred silicon.
i think he dropped it from 4-5 ft (it's on their website somewhere)
anyways, the socket A should easily support the mg. Just think about it, most clips are designed to put 20 pounds of pressure on the socket. the heatsink itself might generate an additional 3 to 4 lb. I think that's well within the limits of the socket A. Plus the mg supposedly uses some kind of clipping mechanism that distributes the forces more evenly on the socket.
anyways, the socket A should easily support the mg. Just think about it, most clips are designed to put 20 pounds of pressure on the socket. the heatsink itself might generate an additional 3 to 4 lb. I think that's well within the limits of the socket A. Plus the mg supposedly uses some kind of clipping mechanism that distributes the forces more evenly on the socket.
doesn't look like you can, but overclockers.com tested the unit with different fans in their preview so I guess its possible, but you have to modify the fan itself to make it fit.
This guy already received it.
"O.K. Let me try and answer some of your conserns and questions...
First of it is HEAVY I got the package for it yesterday and when I opened it up I thought some of it might have been the packaging material but it's all in the heatsink...Comes in a white box the size of the heatsink with instructions and the ASGII
When I took it out of the packaging it has a plasic strip protecting the finish on the bottom...
The weight it much heavier than the HedgeHog I used to have and alot heavier than the FOP32 it replaced. I thought that it might crush the Palomino Core but it worked just fine took it off two or three time to check placement and ease of use...
The clip on the heatsink is very easy to use. It also has to be depressed to clip on the back side before you latch down the front...took me a few time to figure this out. The clip doesn't move one in place which is really very cleaver....
The noise coming off of the Fan isn't notice able over the 120MM Panaflo 100CFM fan next to it. I would dare to say that it's quieter than the Y.S. Tech fan on the FOP32 but it was always noisey compared to other fans just like it. I think it was on it's way out.
Again I have a Athon MP 1.2 Ghz "H" CPU running on the KK266R and compared to the AXIA at 1.4 with the FOP32 it runs alot cooler
Voltage is default at 1.75 and wasn't needed to be raised to get to 1466 with the Glaciator...Idle temps with ACPI off is at 41-42C
Full load while running Prime95 is 46-47C and no higher...
Compared to the AXIA at 1400 and 1.85 the Idle temps were 47-48C and full load was 55-56C...
All temps where monitored with a Thermsensor taped near the core and on my Digital Doc 5.
I have the Glaciator because I was runner up in the naming contest check Overclockers.com, I'm Lee Cox. Andy wanted to get those out first thing so he overnighted them once he recieved the shipment. I'll be getting the other one I had reserved next week. I ordered the Athlon MP "H" from ENPC.com which is located in New York on Tuesday and had it by Friday.
This is my experience so far if you have more questions I'll try to answer them. Cheers, Diablo"
"O.K. Let me try and answer some of your conserns and questions...
First of it is HEAVY I got the package for it yesterday and when I opened it up I thought some of it might have been the packaging material but it's all in the heatsink...Comes in a white box the size of the heatsink with instructions and the ASGII
When I took it out of the packaging it has a plasic strip protecting the finish on the bottom...
The weight it much heavier than the HedgeHog I used to have and alot heavier than the FOP32 it replaced. I thought that it might crush the Palomino Core but it worked just fine took it off two or three time to check placement and ease of use...
The clip on the heatsink is very easy to use. It also has to be depressed to clip on the back side before you latch down the front...took me a few time to figure this out. The clip doesn't move one in place which is really very cleaver....
The noise coming off of the Fan isn't notice able over the 120MM Panaflo 100CFM fan next to it. I would dare to say that it's quieter than the Y.S. Tech fan on the FOP32 but it was always noisey compared to other fans just like it. I think it was on it's way out.
Again I have a Athon MP 1.2 Ghz "H" CPU running on the KK266R and compared to the AXIA at 1.4 with the FOP32 it runs alot cooler
Voltage is default at 1.75 and wasn't needed to be raised to get to 1466 with the Glaciator...Idle temps with ACPI off is at 41-42C
Full load while running Prime95 is 46-47C and no higher...
Compared to the AXIA at 1400 and 1.85 the Idle temps were 47-48C and full load was 55-56C...
All temps where monitored with a Thermsensor taped near the core and on my Digital Doc 5.
I have the Glaciator because I was runner up in the naming contest check Overclockers.com, I'm Lee Cox. Andy wanted to get those out first thing so he overnighted them once he recieved the shipment. I'll be getting the other one I had reserved next week. I ordered the Athlon MP "H" from ENPC.com which is located in New York on Tuesday and had it by Friday.
This is my experience so far if you have more questions I'll try to answer them. Cheers, Diablo"
beating a fop 32/ystech fan combo by 9-10c while cooling a palamino vs the regular tbird core is actually not that impressive. Since you can actually measure core temps I expected the glaciator never to break 40c especially when cooling a palamino.
He wasn't actually measruring core temps, he was using a temp probe taped to the core, while this is a very close representation it's not entirle accurate. What do you need to use the internal diode on that puppy, get us some realt temps? But Spade is right, that isn't very good for that sink, maybe the overclocks review was wrong? Who knows, why won't anyone else review this sink. Andy said he sent one out too all the major players int he review market, but still we see nothing from them.
oh well, my msi k7t266 with a 1.33 tbird at default voltage reads 55c under load right now with my alhpa pal. this is with a 20c ambient, so i guess if I see 45c under load I didn't waste that much money considering my roomate with the exact same setup is seeing 50c under load with his cak38. Honestly if I see anything below 40c with my current setup using the mg that would be unreal. In theory using the c/w rating i could use a 100 watts tbird (1.5ghz at 1.9 or 2 v) and with an ambient of 20c the core temp should be around 38c.
$pade,
Overclockers.com DOES not measure core temp. THey measure heatsink temp at cpu junction. Their C/W numbers are only accurate per the location of where they are measuring. They are not either die nor cpu temps, as evidenced when they introduced the p3 tests, and heatsink-thermocouple only represents 66-75% of the core temp rise on an internal diode measurement.
So typical of overclockers.com c/ws, you'd need to add approximately 33 to 50% of the number when trying to interpret core temp(but c/w guessing is very hard). Expect actual die temp of a 100W processor to be more around 40-50C range even with a glaciator, when measuring die temp, not heatsink junction temp.
Binar,
Is his thermistor(or your thermistor) touchign core, or near core-edge... That makes a huge difference. Position along core edge is also very important, as the hottest edge is teh one left of the writing(chip positioned so you can read the writing).
Mike
Overclockers.com DOES not measure core temp. THey measure heatsink temp at cpu junction. Their C/W numbers are only accurate per the location of where they are measuring. They are not either die nor cpu temps, as evidenced when they introduced the p3 tests, and heatsink-thermocouple only represents 66-75% of the core temp rise on an internal diode measurement.
So typical of overclockers.com c/ws, you'd need to add approximately 33 to 50% of the number when trying to interpret core temp(but c/w guessing is very hard). Expect actual die temp of a 100W processor to be more around 40-50C range even with a glaciator, when measuring die temp, not heatsink junction temp.
Binar,
Is his thermistor(or your thermistor) touchign core, or near core-edge... That makes a huge difference. Position along core edge is also very important, as the hottest edge is teh one left of the writing(chip positioned so you can read the writing).
Mike
Mike,
so based on binar's observation, would you say the glaciator is a superiour hsf that easily beats the cak38, alpha pep66, taiscol copper bottom, and maybe even the swiftech 462.
to me binar's result with the glaciator and palamino, that is suppose to be 20 percent cooler, look somewhat dissapointing. Hopefully I get mine by next week and then find out myself. dream results would be less than 40c (mbm reading) under load with my tbird running at 1.5 ghz and 1.85 volts.
so based on binar's observation, would you say the glaciator is a superiour hsf that easily beats the cak38, alpha pep66, taiscol copper bottom, and maybe even the swiftech 462.
to me binar's result with the glaciator and palamino, that is suppose to be 20 percent cooler, look somewhat dissapointing. Hopefully I get mine by next week and then find out myself. dream results would be less than 40c (mbm reading) under load with my tbird running at 1.5 ghz and 1.85 volts.
the glaciator appears to match swiftech 462 performance, give or take a few percentage points here and there..
IF your k7t266 has one fo the thermistor cables inside the socket, you'll be hard pressed to see under 45C if the thermistor is in good contact with the cpu backside. That is soley the result of how each mb reads temps differently. Typical msi temps with this type of measurement is 50-60C, depending on ambient CASE(not room) temp.
So the chances of you seeing under 40C temp "readings" are very, very unlikely.
Also, the palomino, based on Binar's findings, is approximately 15-17% cooler(taken from amd white papers). It isn't overall 20% cooler, but comparing both cpu's "rise over ambient", the athlon 4 will be approximately 20% less rise over ambient.
If we assume a 25C ambient case temp, you're looking at approximately 22 and 31C over ambient temp rises... taking into account the voltage change on the t-bird, dropping it to 1.75 would reduce its rise over ambient to approximately 2-3C(8W drop), you're looking at say, 22C rise over ambient versus 28C rise over ambient. Change the T-bird to approximately 1466mhz, and it gains approximately 1C. So maybe 22C versus 29C rise over ambient. 22/29 = AThlon MP has approximately 75% of the heat output of the T-bird. This is still a lot, but it is reduced.
The thing to remember is that palomino's aren't miracle chips. They still run hot. A lot of people are misinterpreting the nice PR "20% cooler" from AMD. This isn't to say the chip will run at 80% of the temp of a t-bird. This is meant to say that it has 80% of the rise over ambient case temp.
Mike
IF your k7t266 has one fo the thermistor cables inside the socket, you'll be hard pressed to see under 45C if the thermistor is in good contact with the cpu backside. That is soley the result of how each mb reads temps differently. Typical msi temps with this type of measurement is 50-60C, depending on ambient CASE(not room) temp.
So the chances of you seeing under 40C temp "readings" are very, very unlikely.
Also, the palomino, based on Binar's findings, is approximately 15-17% cooler(taken from amd white papers). It isn't overall 20% cooler, but comparing both cpu's "rise over ambient", the athlon 4 will be approximately 20% less rise over ambient.
If we assume a 25C ambient case temp, you're looking at approximately 22 and 31C over ambient temp rises... taking into account the voltage change on the t-bird, dropping it to 1.75 would reduce its rise over ambient to approximately 2-3C(8W drop), you're looking at say, 22C rise over ambient versus 28C rise over ambient. Change the T-bird to approximately 1466mhz, and it gains approximately 1C. So maybe 22C versus 29C rise over ambient. 22/29 = AThlon MP has approximately 75% of the heat output of the T-bird. This is still a lot, but it is reduced.
The thing to remember is that palomino's aren't miracle chips. They still run hot. A lot of people are misinterpreting the nice PR "20% cooler" from AMD. This isn't to say the chip will run at 80% of the temp of a t-bird. This is meant to say that it has 80% of the rise over ambient case temp.
Mike
<< You better get a jack to hold that heatsink up I would try to support it somehow as it is way too heavy for the way they mount it. It is way outside of the AMD specs for weight. >>
Cut and pasted :
"The force being constantly exerted on the socket's plastic tabs is determined more by the spring tension of the clip than the weight of the cooler. For example, a clip designed to provide 22 pounds of attachment force will look to each the plastic tabs to weigh about 11 pounds. So actually a light cooler with a higher tension clip. like Global Win uses, will put more stress on the tabs than a heavy cooler with a lower tension clip.
Of course, all this assumes that the computer does not get dropped or fall over. If we bring movement and inertia into the equation, then the weight of the cooler becomes much more of a factor."
Ok now here is my scenario. Just replaced a volcano II with a swiftec mc462. And my thought is for $8 the volcano II is not a bad cooler. Mine did not vibrate as others have complained. On the first install of the 462 something went awry. 30 Min of ut left me at 52C, when the vol II never got above 47. Took apart removed the rubber feet from the cpu added an extra washer (included in the kit) cleaned off all artic silver (man what a mess.) Reinstalled. Actually I installed it 3 times but did not take readings on the second install. Gut feeling is the spring tension is still too loose. I can easily rock (and gently) the heatsink on the core. Crossed fingers.
Boosted 1.33 tbird to 1466. Boosted voltage from 1.75 to 1.85. While assembling I gently bent the thermistor on the abit kt7a raid up so when seating the cpu it put pressure against it. I also touched the thermistor with just the tiniest bit of artic silver.Recorded new numbers.
Idle Well as I reply here mb 22C cpu 23C. Edited 22 mb 22 cpu.
UT after an hour 41c.
Sisoft burnin using cpu and multimedia only 40c.
So I gained 133 mHz added .1 volt and lost 7C.
Well I also spent $80. I don't know about the glaciator, but so far I have a few problems with the review.
1 He had to change the fabrication process for time's sake.
2 Mounting is not as safe as the swiftec. I have broke a socket before and have used artic silver adhesive, but I don't want to ever do it again.
3 Not enough reviews at this time. I hope he does beat the swiftec and at a lower price, that would be good for all of us. But more evidence is needed.
Just slightly less than half a nickle's worth. HTH
Boosted 1.33 tbird to 1466. Boosted voltage from 1.75 to 1.85. While assembling I gently bent the thermistor on the abit kt7a raid up so when seating the cpu it put pressure against it. I also touched the thermistor with just the tiniest bit of artic silver.Recorded new numbers.
Idle Well as I reply here mb 22C cpu 23C. Edited 22 mb 22 cpu.
UT after an hour 41c.
Sisoft burnin using cpu and multimedia only 40c.
So I gained 133 mHz added .1 volt and lost 7C.
Well I also spent $80. I don't know about the glaciator, but so far I have a few problems with the review.
1 He had to change the fabrication process for time's sake.
2 Mounting is not as safe as the swiftec. I have broke a socket before and have used artic silver adhesive, but I don't want to ever do it again.
3 Not enough reviews at this time. I hope he does beat the swiftec and at a lower price, that would be good for all of us. But more evidence is needed.
Just slightly less than half a nickle's worth. HTH
Another user review:
"---First off, it is HEAVY.
It sure is. That's the scariest part of dealing with this heatsink, holding it. Working with it is much easier than you'd think when you're just holding it.
However, after a number of placements on and off, it stays firmly in place. I'm not concerned about it falling off. If I had to transport it, though, off it goes.
Then again, I wouldn't call that a disadvantage compared to the Swiftech. I wouldn't feel safe lugging a machine with that attached, either. Strapping it to the mobo can warp the mobo, and pull the heatsink away from the CPU, which can be quite as disastrous.
---The clip on the heatsink is very easy to use. It also has to be depressed to clip on the back side before you latch down the front...took me a few time to figure this out. The clip doesn't move once in place which is really very cleaver....
Agreed. I feel a lot more comfortable putting this one on and off than any other heatsink I've had. Just lay the machine down flat when putting it on and off, and you should have no problems.
---The noise coming off of the Fan isn't noticable over the 120MM Panaflo 100CFM fan next to it. I would dare to say that it's quieter than the Y.S. Tech fan on the FOP32, but it was always noisey compared to other fans just like it. I think it was on it's way out.
I would call the noise level comparable to that of a medium-level fan. Definitely a good deal quieter and less annoying than a 7K Delta.
---I have a Athon MP 1.2 Ghz "H" CPU running on the KK266R and compared to the AXIA at 1.4 with the FOP32 it runs alot cooler (Of course it's a Palomino right? Read on)
---Voltage is default at 1.75 and wasn't needed to be raised to get to 1466 with the Glaciator...Idle temps with ACPI off is at 41-42C Full load while running Prime95 is 46-47C and no higher...
---The MSI temperature probe is screwed up; it reports high, and it reports erratically. We put a temperature probe taped to the CPU (1333 AYHJA) core, and got a temp of 47C running SETI@Home and CPU Stability Test simultaneously at 1500Mhz @ 1.85V. System temp: 25-27C. This works out to about 100W, and heats the CPU up more than just running Prime. I think that's the main reason why some of our numbers tend to be on the low side.
We measured the back of the CPU right where the MSI probe is located, and got a max of 51C. The MSI probe differed from Joe's thermometer from anything from 5-15C too high when revved up, and 3-5C too low when idle.
MBM used the Via sensors, and reports exactly the same temperature as PC Alert III. Interestingly, the latest version of Sandra reports: System monitor device implementation is known to vary."
"---First off, it is HEAVY.
It sure is. That's the scariest part of dealing with this heatsink, holding it. Working with it is much easier than you'd think when you're just holding it.
However, after a number of placements on and off, it stays firmly in place. I'm not concerned about it falling off. If I had to transport it, though, off it goes.
Then again, I wouldn't call that a disadvantage compared to the Swiftech. I wouldn't feel safe lugging a machine with that attached, either. Strapping it to the mobo can warp the mobo, and pull the heatsink away from the CPU, which can be quite as disastrous.
---The clip on the heatsink is very easy to use. It also has to be depressed to clip on the back side before you latch down the front...took me a few time to figure this out. The clip doesn't move once in place which is really very cleaver....
Agreed. I feel a lot more comfortable putting this one on and off than any other heatsink I've had. Just lay the machine down flat when putting it on and off, and you should have no problems.
---The noise coming off of the Fan isn't noticable over the 120MM Panaflo 100CFM fan next to it. I would dare to say that it's quieter than the Y.S. Tech fan on the FOP32, but it was always noisey compared to other fans just like it. I think it was on it's way out.
I would call the noise level comparable to that of a medium-level fan. Definitely a good deal quieter and less annoying than a 7K Delta.
---I have a Athon MP 1.2 Ghz "H" CPU running on the KK266R and compared to the AXIA at 1.4 with the FOP32 it runs alot cooler (Of course it's a Palomino right? Read on)
---Voltage is default at 1.75 and wasn't needed to be raised to get to 1466 with the Glaciator...Idle temps with ACPI off is at 41-42C Full load while running Prime95 is 46-47C and no higher...
---The MSI temperature probe is screwed up; it reports high, and it reports erratically. We put a temperature probe taped to the CPU (1333 AYHJA) core, and got a temp of 47C running SETI@Home and CPU Stability Test simultaneously at 1500Mhz @ 1.85V. System temp: 25-27C. This works out to about 100W, and heats the CPU up more than just running Prime. I think that's the main reason why some of our numbers tend to be on the low side.
We measured the back of the CPU right where the MSI probe is located, and got a max of 51C. The MSI probe differed from Joe's thermometer from anything from 5-15C too high when revved up, and 3-5C too low when idle.
MBM used the Via sensors, and reports exactly the same temperature as PC Alert III. Interestingly, the latest version of Sandra reports: System monitor device implementation is known to vary."
But backside temps are highly suspect. Its possible that msi is using calibration to "up" the readings from teh socket-thermistor to better represent heatsink die temp.
And before anybody says anything, heatsink-thermocouple is not CPU die temp. It is more like heatsink-temp at cpu junction region. Judging from the p3 and heatsink-thermocouple tests, the heatsink thermocouple shows roughly 50-70% of core temp rise over ambient, so it is still a very significant difference from full die temperature.
Mike
And before anybody says anything, heatsink-thermocouple is not CPU die temp. It is more like heatsink-temp at cpu junction region. Judging from the p3 and heatsink-thermocouple tests, the heatsink thermocouple shows roughly 50-70% of core temp rise over ambient, so it is still a very significant difference from full die temperature.
Mike
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