To all Americans that gripe about Israel "stealing" palestinian land.

Shad0hawK

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give back the land YOU took you hypocrites. a good start would be the land of the Cherokee Nation recognized by the supreme court in 1830, that were never changed by any treaty by the lawfully elected Cherokee Government. this includes portions of 8 states in the eastern and southeastern US.

do this and let your actions speak instead of your empty words.

you can start by giving your house to me.

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Cesar

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
give back the land YOU took you hypocrites. a good start would be the land of the Cherokee Nation recognized by the supreme court in 1830, that were never changed by any treaty by the lawfully elected Cherokee Government. this includes portions of 8 states in the eastern and southeastern US. do this and let your actions speak instead of your empty words. you can start by giving your house to me. :D

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Aimster

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
give back the land YOU took you hypocrites. a good start would be the land of the Cherokee Nation recognized by the supreme court in 1830, that were never changed by any treaty by the lawfully elected Cherokee Government. this includes portions of 8 states in the eastern and southeastern US.

do this and let your actions speak instead of your empty words.

you can start by giving your house to me.

:D



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Red Dawn

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You guys weren't as resilient and were easier to kill the the Palestineans. Besides as Chief Dan George said in the Outlaw Josey Wales "The Cheerokies were a Civilized Tribe which meant they were easy to get the drop on!" Or something along those lines!
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You guys weren't as resilient and were easier to kill the the Palestineans. Besides as Chief Dan George said in the Outlaw Josey Wales "The Cheerokies were a Civilized Tribe which meant they were easy to get the drop on!" Or something along those lines!

actually the cherokee never fought the US, we tried to find a peaceful solution through negotiation and appeasement.


maybe liberals should learn from us...nah, a liberal learn from history?!? HAAHAHAHAHA riggght.

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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You guys weren't as resilient and were easier to kill the the Palestineans. Besides as Chief Dan George said in the Outlaw Josey Wales "The Cheerokies were a Civilized Tribe which meant they were easy to get the drop on!" Or something along those lines!

actually the cherokee never fought the US, we tried to find a peaceful solution through negotiation and appeasement.


maybe liberals should learn from us...nah, a liberal learn from history?!? HAAHAHAHAHA riggght.

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Maybe the Palestineans learned from the Cherokees that if you bend over you are going to end up walking funny! Well I guess it's better to be alive and under the thumb of an oppressor that to die free!
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BTW, Some Liberals and Conservatives can be like Siamese Twin adjoined at the rectum. Both are extremists and niether learn much from history.
 

Shad0hawK

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maybe we should learn from the israeli's, we should return to the land we had lived on for thousands of years and shoot anyone that does not like it!



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Cesar

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
maybe we should learn from the israeli's, we should return to the land we had lived on for thousands of years and shoot anyone that does not like it! :D

yeah do that and you will get your ass kicked
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Cesar
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
maybe we should learn from the israeli's, we should return to the land we had lived on for thousands of years and shoot anyone that does not like it! :D

yeah do that and you will get your ass kicked

oh, so that would be fine we would need an "asskicking", but let the israeli's go back to THIER ancestral homeland and fight off those that usurped it and THEY are "wrong"...






 

Tom

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
give back the land YOU took you hypocrites. a good start would be the land of the Cherokee Nation recognized by the supreme court in 1830, that were never changed by any treaty by the lawfully elected Cherokee Government. this includes portions of 8 states in the eastern and southeastern US.

do this and let your actions speak instead of your empty words.

you can start by giving your house to me.

:D

I've always been in favor of doing so, assuming the various Native American Nations were willing to agree to the same sort of cooperative arrangement that exists with the Navajo, for example.

 

Tom

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That isn't the issue, the issue is we, the United States, keeping our word.
 

Tripleshot

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This belongs in OT, not here. Some loony bird that wants a handout because he thinks he's been wronged by "white people" can speak his peace in the other forum. This is niether poltical or news, just the ravings of some malcontent that does more harm to the honor of the Cherokee tribe than good. I am part Cherokee, having ancestors who survived the trail of tears. I am not about to subscribe to this nonsense. The Cherokee Nation is one of the richest indian nations and most of the tribe has assimilated into the white american culture long ago.

Shadowhawk, get a life.
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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
This belongs in OT, not here. Some loony bird that wants a handout because he thinks he's been wronged by "white people" can speak his peace in the other forum. This is niether poltical or news, just the ravings of some malcontent that does more harm to the honor of the Cherokee tribe than good. I am part Cherokee, having ancestors who survived the trail of tears. I am not about to subscribe to this nonsense. The Cherokee Nation is one of the richest indian nations and most of the tribe has assimilated into the white american culture long ago.

Shadowhawk, get a life.
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I seriously doubt anybody took him seriously, thus all the facetious replys to his posts!
 

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
This belongs in OT, not here. Some loony bird that wants a handout because he thinks he's been wronged by "white people" can speak his peace in the other forum. This is niether poltical or news, just the ravings of some malcontent that does more harm to the honor of the Cherokee tribe than good. I am part Cherokee, having ancestors who survived the trail of tears. I am not about to subscribe to this nonsense. The Cherokee Nation is one of the richest indian nations and most of the tribe has assimilated into the white american culture long ago.

Shadowhawk, get a life.
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Well, same here. I only bring it up in these kinds of threads, and when people start talking reparations. If that ever happens, I "deserve" to be at the front of the hand out line.

Now, I have a problen about being "assimilated" though. We were treated no better than the Jews were by Hitler. Best not to forget it, because if a thing is forgotten, it can happen again.
 

Shad0hawK

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i think many of the obtuse are missing the point, some perhaps on purpose.

the point of this thread is not seeking a "handout" (ROFL) or reparations, but rather to illustrate that americans is the LAST nation who have any business to preach about "stolen land" or who should give what back, but many hypocrites fell justified in doing so.

so then if the palestinians are "justified in doing what they are doing, would the iroquois, mohawk, cherokee, or commanche be just as "justified" in doing the same thing for the same reason? of course not! but it is a VERY safe assumption many think the palestinians should do this would feel VERY different when their families started getting blown up in restaurants and retirement homes!

the reactions to this post show the sad state of people in this nation. in hindsight i do not know why i posted this, in my misguided optimism i thought that a few people might want to engage in a serious conversation, but as usual all many can do is attack me personally in an atempt to perhaps feel better about themselves while being rude, crass, boorish, but "kewl" seeking admiration and getting it from the equally imbecilic.

red dawn, as far as people not taking this seriously, i am not surprised. most hypocrites only take themselves seriously, it is a part of being who and what they are.


tripleshot, you have missed the point so utterly it is amazing. but to address some of your concerns, i do not want a handout. i do not want reparations, in fact, i am not even enrolled as per the dawes act so as NOT to get any special treatment, i sink or swim on my own and i do not need an orange card issued byt the US govt. to define my personage![i/] i am also half irish and cherish that part of me just as much!


Shalom alechiem B'shem Yeshua!
Salaam alaykum bsem Isa!





 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
maybe we should learn from the israeli's, we should return to the land we had lived on for thousands of years and shoot anyone that does not like it!



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Well at least the native Americans have their gambling casinos and are finally getting their "revenge" . . . the Palestine Arabs have nothing and are like to have nothing - ever - because the fanatic religiously motivated Jews were "promised" their land by god.
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Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
maybe we should learn from the israeli's, we should return to the land we had lived on for thousands of years and shoot anyone that does not like it!



:D
Well at least the native Americans have their gambling casinos and are finally getting their "revenge" . . . the Palestine Arabs have nothing and are like to have nothing - ever - because the fanatic religiously motivated Jews were "promised" their land by god.
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what type of "revenge" would that be? as for your second point, they seem to have plenty of guns and bombmaking materials...it is too bad Arafat was not sucessful in overthrowing the jordanian government in the 70's but that does not matter, they would still be trying to get rid of the jews from the land that is rightfully thiers just as they have since 1948

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
maybe we should learn from the israeli's, we should return to the land we had lived on for thousands of years and shoot anyone that does not like it!



:D
Well at least the native Americans have their gambling casinos and are finally getting their "revenge" . . . the Palestine Arabs have nothing and are like to have nothing - ever - because the fanatic religiously motivated Jews were "promised" their land by god.
rolleye.gif


what type of "revenge" would that be? as for your second point, they seem to have plenty of guns and bombmaking materials...it is too bad Arafat was not sucessful in overthrowing the jordanian government in the 70's but that does not matter, they would still be trying to get rid of the jews from the land that is rightfully thiers just as they have since 1948
"revenge" as in 'tongue-in-cheek' - they have popularized gambling and are retaking much riches (finally) from the white man.

The native Americans got a raw deal - no doubt. It has only been (tried to be) addressed recently.

The Palestinians are also getting a raw deal from Israel but are not taking it like the Indian tribes that were (gradually) forced onto smaller and smaller and crappier reservations. Each Indian uprising was met with genocide and they were thoroughly demoralized - plus they didn't have suicide bombers back then and were also rather disunited.

Your original premise is rather flawed. If stealing NA land was wrong, stealing Palestinian land by Israel is ALSO wrong. These two very different peoples in two very different times have different responses (and If I remember correctly, also fought for their rights to the extent they were able).

 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: apoppin

Your original premise is rather flawed. If stealing NA land was wrong, stealing Palestinian land by Israel is ALSO wrong. These two very different peoples in two very different times have different responses (and If I remember correctly, also fought for their rights to the extent they were able).


israel is not "stealing" the land, they are taking back what was thiers before...them going back is much like the cherokees reversing the trial of tears and taking back our original land.

many people forget ews lived in israel for thousands of years before the romans forcably made them leave, just as the cherokee were. they went back(except the few who had remained) to thier ancestral lands which takes up 1% of the middle east and have been fighting for it ever since. hebrews were writing poetry before the greeks even had a written language.