TN - Less Than 1% Of Welfare Applicants Used Drugs.

[Vic]

I think that people who smoke pot have a much lower chance of finding gainful employment.

Do you think the same about people who drink alcohol too?

 

[Dannar26]

How dare we screen your vote drones!

 

[Vic]

One can speak without an audience. One can not be employed without an employer.

Of course one can. It's called self-employment and is quite common. It does generally require capital to get started at it though. Which people who qualify for welfare usually don't have.

 

[werepossum]

Don't be mislead by the stereotype of the lazy stoner.

I know far more employed professionals who imbibe than I do losers.


I'm not saying they don't exist, but those are the ones you see because the responsible users are discreet about it.

I was thinking more about getting a job than holding a job. Not many people go from welfare into being a lawyer or banker; more welfare recipients by far are going to go into jobs where a drug test is required.

I don't actually have a problem with people who smoke weed. I consider it less dangerous to others (in general) and no more self destructive than alcohol, assuming both are consumed in moderation. However, for very few if any job applications does one have to pass an alcohol screening.

Do you think the same about people who drink alcohol too?

No, unless they drink to excess and thus cannot get to work on time. But many job applications have required drug screenings; few if any have alcohol screenings.

 

[Vic]

I was thinking more about getting a job than holding a job. Not many people go from welfare into being a lawyer or banker; more welfare recipients by far are going to go into jobs where a drug test is required.

I don't actually have a problem with people who smoke weed. I consider it less dangerous to others (in general) and no more self destructive than alcohol, assuming both are consumed in moderation. However, for very few if any job applications does one have to pass an alcohol screening.


No, unless they drink to excess and thus cannot get to work on time. But many job applications have required drug screenings; few if any have alcohol screenings.

Spoken like a true drug warrior.

"Don't do drugs, they're bad for you! "

"How are they bad for you? "

"Because they're illegal and you'll go to jail, that's how!"

 

[werepossum]

Spoken like a true drug warrior.

"Don't do drugs, they're bad for you! "

"How are they bad for you? "

"Because they're illegal and you'll go to jail, that's how!"

How do you figure that? I'm fully for pot legalization, period, end of story. I consider it no worse than alcohol and in some ways better. Yet someone attempting to get off of welfare has to deal with the world as it is, not the world as I might prefer it. And in the world as it is, testing positive for weed will keep you from getting many jobs.

 

[MrPickins]

Of course one can. It's called self-employment and is quite common. It does generally require capital to get started at it though. Which people who qualify for welfare usually don't have.

Self employed people still have an employer, it just happens to be themselves.

I was thinking more about getting a job than holding a job. Not many people go from welfare into being a lawyer or banker; more welfare recipients by far are going to go into jobs where a drug test is required.

I don't actually have a problem with people who smoke weed. I consider it less dangerous to others (in general) and no more self destructive than alcohol, assuming both are consumed in moderation. However, for very few if any job applications does one have to pass an alcohol screening..

Ahh, I misunderstood you.

Fair enough.


I do question the need for a drug test to work at McDonalds, but that's a different argument.

 

[nehalem256]

Self employed people still have an employer, it just happens to be themselves.

Well then if you talk to yourself you still have an audience... it just happens to be yourself

 

[xBiffx]

Well then if you talk to yourself you still have an audience... it just happens to be yourself

What if you are like Sybil? That's an audience for sure.

 

[MrPickins]

Well then if you talk to yourself you still have an audience... it just happens to be yourself

How did you know I do that!?!

Do you have my office bugged???


Time to break out the tin foil hat.

 

[Vic]

The most successful people I know use drugs far more often than the losers I know.

Spend any time around a high end law firm, bankers, etc, and you will quickly be buried in a blizzard (har) of drugs.

That's because high paying professional jobs don't typically drug screen.
Could you imagine? "I see on your resume that you graduated cum laude from Harvard, your experience and your references are impeccable, and we understand that you'll be bringing a lucrative book of business to our firm.. but first, could you piss in this cup?"

 

[Victorian Gray]

If you have extra money maybe you should be spending it on food and shelter rather than pot which ain't cheap.

And if at the end of the month said poor person managed to put aside 15 bucks for some beer or a couple of grams of grass you going to stand there shaking your finger and say "spendthrift wastrel, give society back that $15.00"?

Even poor people need a break and most poor people (including those on welfare) are *not* living the high life on Prime Rib, boutique beer and expensive designer weed.

 

[xBiffx]

That's because high paying professional jobs don't typically drug screen.
Could you imagine? "I see on your resume that you graduated cum laude from Harvard, your experience and your references are impeccable, and we understand that you'll be bringing a lucrative book of business to our firm.. but first, could you piss in this cup?"

Utter bullshit. Every single high paying professional job that I have had, I've had to piss in a cup first. Same goes for anyone I know. You work for any midsize to large company and its damn near a guarantee.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I think that people who smoke pot have a much lower chance of finding gainful employment.

EDIT: just saw your other replies which made your statement clearer.

Wonder how I managed to maintain a long and healthy working life (even through my most extreme 'pothead' days) plus a B.A. (hons) and M.A. (both degrees done in my 30's). Started smoking 'bud' in 1967.

More anecdote: I know at least 40 or 50 other people who have been smoking for decades and everyone of them has what most folks would consider a successful career.

Now, if you're someone who smokes an 1/8 of an oz/day no, you probably won't hold down much in the way of a job. Thankfully, people like that are an infinitesimal percentage of those who smoke grass.

 

[werepossum]

That's because high paying professional jobs don't typically drug screen.
Could you imagine? "I see on your resume that you graduated cum laude from Harvard, your experience and your references are impeccable, and we understand that you'll be bringing a lucrative book of business to our firm.. but first, could you piss in this cup?"

lol We might be better off. Although I'd be looking for evidence of anti-psychotics rather than weed.

EDIT: just saw your other replies which made your statement clearer.

Wonder how I managed to maintain a long and healthy working life (even through my most extreme 'pothead' days) plus a B.A. (hons) and M.A. (both degrees done in my 30's). Started smoking 'bud' in 1967.

More anecdote: I know at least 40 or 50 other people who have been smoking for decades and everyone of them has what most folks would consider a successful career.

Now, if you're someone who smokes an 1/8 of an oz/day no, you probably won't hold down much in the way of a job. Thankfully, people like that are an infinitesimal percentage of those who smoke grass.

I think it can be harder to get a job while using weed than to keep a job while using weed, assuming it's done in moderation. Which is true of every intoxicant - not many people can get drunk every night and go to work every day, although a few do.