Timothy McVeigh’s confession to be heard in MSNBC documentary

[techs]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36633900/ns/msnbc_tv-documentaries/

A new documentary about Timothy McVeigh, including never-before-heard audio of the terrorist, is stirring emotions even before it airs on msnbc to mark the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

The audio, originally recorded by Buffalo News reporters Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck as part of interviews for the only authorized biography of the bomber, is likely to be received by audiences with mixed reactions.

In his own voice, McVeigh confesses to the bombings and recounts everything from his childhood in Buffalo, his time with the military during the Gulf War, his relationship with conspirator Terry Nichols, to the planning and execution of the attack that killed 168 lives and injured over 500 people.



(I didn't know if this is P&N or a tv show blurb, so if the mods move it, you can follow it there)

9pm on MSNBC

I don't know if any of these tapes have been heard before, or if perhaps some of it has. I know it was the basis for a book back in 1991.
I might give it a watch.


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People have spun this OT into a P&N.

Moving the thread there.

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[Gunslinger08]

Looks interesting. I'll probably record it.

 

[Vette73]

Anybody every hear why the Jury deadlocked on the death penalty for Terry Nichols? I am not a hugh death penalty fan, but in this case it screams this is the case/person to apply it to.

 

[pyonir]

I was looking for a thread on this in P&N and surprised there wasn't one. lol. Good thing I searched here too.

Anyway, I'm kinda looking forward to checking it out. Just from a curiosity standpoint. I heard a couple clips on the NBC Nightly News and renewed my interest in it.

 

[Chaotic42]

Too bad they can't kill him again.

 

[preslove]

Is it going to be streamed anywhere for us cable eschewing folk?

 

[IGBT]

how bout the gov.confession over the ruby ridge and waco incidents. when we gona hear that?

 

[Farang]

Not appropriate for Maddow to narrate, not at all. It would be like Sean Hannity narrating a documentary on the 9/11 bombers.

She isn't nearly as bad as Hannity but its the same idea.

 

[preslove]

how bout the gov.confession over the ruby ridge and waco incidents. when we gona hear that?

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself, mr. terrorist sympathizer.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Definitely watching tonight. Rachael is honest IMO so she'll do good. I'm concerned that it is feeding lib paranoia that gun-grabbers are about to 'splode somefin'

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Please do us all a favor and kill yourself, mr. terrorist sympathizer.

AHAHAHAH! Massive fascist alert!

Siding with citizens over Waco and Ruby Ridge is terrorist sympathy? I figured siding with McVeigh is, but apparently they're the same thing now. Everybody wronged by the government is now a terrorist.

Thanks for the clarification, Hitler.

I can't wait until some asshat starts calling any libertarian a terrorist, oh wait they did that.

 

[destrekor]

AHAHAHAH! Massive fascist alert!

Siding with citizens over Waco and Ruby Ridge is terrorist sympathy? I figured siding with McVeigh is, but apparently they're the same thing now. Everybody wronged by the government is now a terrorist.

Thanks for the clarification, Hitler.

I can't wait until some asshat starts calling any libertarian a terrorist, oh wait they did that.

If you side with the people of Waco, you're just a complete idiot.
They armed themselves, and dug in for a fight. If you want to live and have the legal standing in the long run, you don't fucking shoot at Federal agents.

Same goes for Ruby Ridge. That one, in all honesty, was just a fucked up situation of miss communication and misinterpretation from both sides.
Again, you don't shoot at Federal agents if you wish to not show threat. They learned that the second time, but unfortunately people had to die because people, on both sides, just reacted to the show of force. If nobody reacted, it would have been a routine investigation, with potential results of "well, you guys aren't out to do what has been said of you."
But if you fire at Federal agents, guess what, that message, no matter the situation that drew the gunfire, is going to bring about even more hellfire from the government.

If you want to appear as innocent, you fucking cooperate. It might suck, but if you threaten and show lethal force against people who really just want to get home to their family too, but have to follow up on information that deserves attention, your now guilty in the eyes of those investigating. You might live and have your innocence proven later, but if you cooperated in the first place, the whole "ordeal" would have been over far sooner.

No, that isn't to say "cooperate with the government no matter what", but you have to look at the situation from both sides. Don't ignorantly assume the government is always wrong, both parties are almost always to blame based on their actions, apparent intent (regardless of the truth, appearances are more convincing in the moment that any dialog - that's called being human, showing natural reaction).

I'll blame the federal agents involved just as much as the civilians involved.
For both situations.

It all comes down to this: the government is going to follow up on information that is presented to them. Miss-communication in the government hierarchy can make things messy. But at the first instance of the investigation reaching those individuals in question, you have to be smart. Demonstrate and demand your legal rights. But also, simply cooperate. The investigation in both situations was completely lawful. It was the events that followed that made everything a mess.

 

[preslove]

AHAHAHAH! Massive fascist alert!

Siding with citizens over Waco and Ruby Ridge is terrorist sympathy? I figured siding with McVeigh is, but apparently they're the same thing now. Everybody wronged by the government is now a terrorist.

Thanks for the clarification, Hitler.

I can't wait until some asshat starts calling any libertarian a terrorist, oh wait they did that.

Our country is doomed.

 

[jpeyton]

McVeigh, the original tea partier.

 

[preslove]

Definitely watching tonight. Rachael is honest IMO so she'll do good. I'm concerned that it is feeding lib paranoia that gun-grabbers are about to 'splode somefin'

er...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/29/AR2010032901541.html

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_plane_crash#Suicide_note

Plus you have people these tea partiers talking about our "fascist government" inciting this kind of thinking more and more. It's not paranoia.

 

[Chaotic42]

McVeigh, the original tea partier.

I know you're trolling, but his issue was with Waco and Ruby Ridge, not the fiscal health of the government.

 

[preslove]

I know you're trolling, but his issue was with Waco and Ruby Ridge, not the fiscal health of the government.

He was using the same language as a tea partier. The thing is, when you your government is "fascist" then armed struggle is justified.

 

[Chaotic42]

He was using the same language as a tea partier.

Explain.

 

[destrekor]

Explain.

Fascism is a common cry from the tea party crowd.

Look, I'm a huge fan of the Libertarian political movement, and myself am a Moderate-Libertarian (moderate between left/right, a little swing "up?" for Libertarian).

The Tea Party idea is grand, a great way to show support in numbers and help get the movement going.
But many of the people who partake, are just making a mockery of themselves and making the whole thing look ridiculous. It's sad too, because I really want to see the Libertarian Party gain real acceptance and see Congressional seats filled by Libertarians.

 

[preslove]

Explain.

And before you say, "they are just random nuts," or "they're liberal plants," the above material probably got its "intellectual" start from this wingnut best seller:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...EagN9ry-tv2HB_TYw&sig2=7Bpt_K6kLrXKdZqNMU7U4Q

This is pretty strong meme within the tea party movement. And it is dangerous.

 

[JD50]

And before you say, "they are just random nuts," or "they're liberal plants," the above material probably got its "intellectual" start from this wingnut best seller:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...EagN9ry-tv2HB_TYw&sig2=7Bpt_K6kLrXKdZqNMU7U4Q

This is pretty strong meme within the tea party movement. And it is dangerous.

No more dangerous than the things the looney lefties were doing and saying during the Bush administration. There's nuts on both sides, might as well ignore them.

 

[pyonir]

Like most P&N threads...the conversation has nothing to do with the topic. techs, you should have posted it over there...as it was inevitable that it would become what it is.

 

[preslove]

No more dangerous than the things the looney lefties were doing and saying during the Bush administration. There's nuts on both sides, might as well ignore them.

Loony lefties don't have "compounds" where they train with weapons to overthrow the government. They don't have large collections of weapons, either. They don't have rallies brandishing weapons on the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma city bombing.

Or, are you scared of some granola chewing hippie whose never fired a gun?

 

[ShawnD1]

Not appropriate for Maddow to narrate, not at all. It would be like Sean Hannity narrating a documentary on the 9/11 bombers.

She isn't nearly as bad as Hannity but its the same idea.

I love Maddow so much. If she ever turns straight, I'm going to take her out for drinks and sex, minus the drinks.

:hmm: maybe I'll settle on drinks with no sex


Isn't it weird this confession is apparently never released audio? We saw videos of Osama basically the same day as 9/11.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Maddow is cute.