Timeless

[Elixer]

Well, the premiere was last night and...

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How the heck can they even trust the people they recruited in the first place, especially the professor of history, and let's not forget solider boy lost his wife, and there is no way he would try to fix that right?
The one guy that was part of the program all along, specifically said he was a "coder", yet, he is also a master mechanic & pilot?

With that out of the way, the main plot started OKish,(they know when, but not where?), however, it quickly spiraled out of control when they failed in their primary mission, and then blew it again by not getting the weapons that the 'bad guys' had, and why not go on a search & destroy mission for the mother ship?
Which brings us back to the issue of them knowing the date, but not the where. How do they know the 'bad guys' mission is what they said it was?
Then, why wouldn't the 'bad guys' just redo what they were trying to do again & again until they got it right?

Reminds me of the TV show Seven days or the movie TimeCop.

 

[Ken g6]

Then, why wouldn't the 'bad guys' just redo what they were trying to do again & again until they got it right?

It's the Back-to-the-Future excuse. Meeting yourself == bad.

I have a better question.

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If changing the past always causes changes to the timeline - and it seems to - how did the 'bad guys' get the book the historian is going to write in the future into the original timeline?

And another question.

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Why don't they (meaning some people not also at that place and time) go back to the beginning of the time machine program and tell the people there not to do it?

Oh, and finally...

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If they had the bomb next to the breakable windows of the Hindenburg, why didn't they just drop the bomb out a window?

 

[Elixer]

It's the Back-to-the-Future excuse. Meeting yourself == bad.

Isn't that if they only touch? (Which was how they killed the bad guy in TimeCop.)
They could just send a video message or whatever on what they need to do instead...

Oh, and finally...

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If they had the bomb next to the breakable windows of the Hindenburg, why didn't they just drop the bomb out a window?

Heh, I was going to mention that as well... and about the

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bra, it was darn obvious that will play a key role at some point...but, why didn't he just tell her to remove the wire, instead of him doing it?

 

[OutHouse]

umm yea stupid bomb scene is where the show lost me.

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"you got 5 min to disarm a bomb and there is some "Guy" who can disarm ANY bomb by looking at the wires and starts to pull wires, but wait the bad guy shows up, a big fight erupts and he saves the day by clipping the red wire with 2 seconds to spare before they all die."]

and this

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when the cop was looking at the delta force bad ass pistol and says, "what kind of gun is this?" . news flash it was just a automatic with a supressor. and both types of technology had been around for many decades prior to 1937. "

 

[Ken g6]

Isn't that if they only touch? (Which was how they killed the bad guy in TimeCop.)
They could just send a video message or whatever on what they need to do instead...

It wasn't very clear. But I suspect seeing your future self is bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlcH-5LQbhA

 

[OutHouse]

the other thing that made no sense is how the time machine which has no propulsion at all was able to move to different geographic locations in time. like when the good guys took the second time machine back in time to chase the bad guys, why didn't they materialize right on top of the first time machine?

 

[Charmonium]

I have mixed feelings about time travel shows. This looked good in the previews but I'm afraid I might have to bail on this. plot holes have to be expected, that just goes with the territory although they really do need to make some feeble effort to minimize them. My main issue is that there's nothing interesting about the show as far as I can tell. The only part that has me slightly curious is the motivation of the guy who stole the machine in the first place and that's probably going to be something trite and disappointing anyway.

 

[Elixer]

What about fuel / power source, I don't recall them mentioning anything about that, and, wouldn't they need another command and control center for the first ship?

So many plot holes, so little time (*cough*) to fix them...

 

[Ken g6]

the other thing that made no sense is how the time machine which has no propulsion at all was able to move to different geographic locations in time. like when the good guys took the second time machine back in time to chase the bad guys, why didn't they materialize right on top of the first time machine?

Actually, I don't see that as a plot hole at all. Everything moves over time, so a time machine would seem to have to be able to find coordinates in space too. Plus, according to some theories, one year ago is one light-year away, so a time machine would likely be able to travel long distances too.

 

[gorobei]

It wasn't very clear. But I suspect seeing your future self is bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlcH-5LQbhA

you might reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.


anyways it isnt a great show:

• mediocre acting and casting (tho i loved the black techie in Better Off Ted and he's ok in this)
• blah direction/cinematography- hindenburg flying over the time skiff landing was probably the only impressive shot.
• editing/pacing was like it was intended to be a 90 min or 2hr pilot but was only given an hour. just rushed at every point, no weight to any of the little build up, no chance to delve into the misconceptions of the past most people have.

the hint/clues dropped are pretty straight forward:

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  [*]diary/book was written by the female lead after the entire thing(series) was over and now the bad guy is just following through with the plan/pattern/outline, ostensibly in order to bring about the better future that results from all their tinkering in trying to stop the bad guy. (potentially the bad guy was/is being asked to do all this for the greater good, ie they contacted him in the past to get him to choose to do these things and gave him the book)
  
  [*]to some degree the black elon musk character and the tech guy also know about the diary or the events in it, and are also carrying out the plan to go thru the actions outlined in it.

this show is from the guy who did Supernatural, so there is an attempt to be hip and edgy about the meta (racist cop distraction rant, bra, "what kind of gun"), but without a solid foundation in the seriousness of the straight stuff it doesnt really play.

chances are the pilot could have been much better with more time allotted, a couple of dialogue rewrites, and better casting. i'll watch 2 more eps before i drop it.

 

[Imp]

Didn't bother with this one. Looks like another Houdini & Doyle -- production quality and eventual cancellation, not the story.

Got tired of the Dr. Dre and Nurse Jackey promo too.

 

[OutHouse]

Actually, I don't see that as a plot hole at all. Everything moves over time, so a time machine would seem to have to be able to find coordinates in space too. Plus, according to some theories, one year ago is one light-year away, so a time machine would likely be able to travel long distances too.

how?

 

[Elixer]

Point A in time period A is still point A in time period B, but, time period B could be vastly different than A's, so you might time jump from solid land in point A, and into water or a volcano or whatever else in time period B's point A.

They really need to stop being so lackadaisical in the writing.
The next episode needs to fix lots of things.

 

[BoomerD]

Gawd...quit looking for the holes in the science and just enjoy the show...(or else, find holes in the acting and script writing...there were plenty of those to nitpick)

I can't think of a single comedy or drama that's "sciencey" that's completely accurate with the science. They're all written with so many inconsistencies and made up shit that you either don't watch them because of them...or you just ignore them and watch the show for the entertainment.

 

[Elixer]

Gawd...quit looking for the holes in the science and just enjoy the show...(or else, find holes in the acting and script writing...there were plenty of those to nitpick)

Not looking for holes per se, it just that they are blatantly large holes the size of the grand canyon and you can't miss them even if you tried.

 

[Spydermag68]

When ever there is a time machine you need to factor in the relative dimensions in space so you don't fly through a star or bounce to close to a super nova or that will end your trip quick.

The show was ok but I guessed the twist at the end.

 

[Elixer]

How does this show make any sense, if every time they space fold, they change history?
I lost track how of many weapons they have left behind and later they read about them as "unknown" weapon(s)? Eh? That would give a HUGE technological advantage to people finding these things...

 

[Elixer]

In this episode, they at least fixed the time line right? Nope, they screwed up yet again.
Also, you don't think the general would have noticed his keys gone, and the last person he was with? Then, she wouldn't spill the beans about everything?
I'll skip the part where they are handling plutonium...it isn't like this show if factual.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

I also love the logic of 'you can't send the same people to the same time twice'... You've got a company with dozens of employees as well as others that could go back in time instead. Send a sniper and take out the guy before he reaches the Hindenburg or even send someone to Germany to place a bomb on board before it lifts off. With that second option you can have someone tail him when he goes back and then kill him and take back the time machine.
They could even have given a sniper an incendiary round to take out the Hindenburg first and then follow him to the timemachine.

Also: How long till someone stumbles upon the timemachine? Or until it lands in a swamp or on/in water? Anyone want to bet that no matter how far they go back people still either speak modern day English or another language that one of them happens to understand?

 

[MongGrel]

Dr Who for time travel or gtf outa here

But it is a popular theme.

 

[Eug]

Gawd...quit looking for the holes in the science and just enjoy the show...(or else, find holes in the acting and script writing...there were plenty of those to nitpick)

I can't think of a single comedy or drama that's "sciencey" that's completely accurate with the science. They're all written with so many inconsistencies and made up shit that you either don't watch them because of them...or you just ignore them and watch the show for the entertainment.

It always amazes me that these things get discussed like they're dissertations on quantum physics... by people who know nothing about quantum physics in the first place.

But I do agree perhaps they could have just dropped the bomb out the window, for example.

So yeah, there were some significant plot holes. Nonetheless, I enjoyed the time spent for the premiere. Much more so than say Aftermath.

 

[SKORPI0]

Watching episode 14 - The Lost Generation..... Charles Lindbergh flight 1927..
So what's stopping them from building a newer time machine than the one that was stolen?