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Time Travel

jodhas

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I recently read this article from Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Einstein was right -- again. Satellites that have been pulled slightly off their orbits show that the Earth is indeed twisting the fabric of space-time as it rotates, scientists said on Thursday.

They said their findings are the first to directly measure and prove an important aspect of Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity -- that a rotating body warps and twists the "fabric" that combines the three dimensions of space and the fourth dimension of time.

"As the Earth turns, it is actually twisting space-time with it. Near Earth, the twisting is greater," said Michael Salamon, a physicist at NASA in Washington.

"This twisting of space-time, which is also referred to as frame-dragging, has never been directly observed before," Salamon told reporters in a telephone briefing.

"This is the first real, solid, direct evidence we have for the twisting of space-time caused by the spinning of a rotating body."

Erricos Pavlis of the Joint Center for Earth System Technology at NASA and the University of Maryland and colleagues observed two satellites orbiting the Earth and found that they did shift as the planet pulled on space.

"We measured the distance from the Earth to the satellite with the accuracy of millimeters," Pavlis said. Their research was reported in the journal Nature.

The Laser Geodynamics Satellite I or LAGEOS I, a NASA spacecraft, and LAGEOS II, a joint NASA/Italian Space Agency satellite, are basically hunks of metal covered with reflectors that make them easy to follow and measure from the ground.

Their butterfly-shaped orbits are meant to simulate the movement of a spinning gyroscope. Einstein's theory predicts that a nearby spinning body -- such as the Earth -- will pull on space and cause a gyroscope to shift slightly on its axis.

There is no proof that some other force is not acting on the satellites, Pavlis said, but it is unlikely.

"It would have to be a very smart force to exactly mimic general relativity," he said.
We have eliminated all of the forces that we do know -- tidal forces, et cetera and so forth, as well as gravitational model errors."
Pavlis likens the effect to a spoon twisting in a jar of molasses.

"Similarly, as the Earth rotates, it pulls space-time in its vicinity around itself. This will shift the orbits of satellites near Earth," he said.

Salamon said indirect evidence has been seen of frame-dragging, but this is the first direct measurement.

In April, NASA launched Gravity Probe B, a probe carrying four gyroscopes, which the scientists say should prove Einstein's theory with even higher accuracy when its results are reported next year.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.



And I got this response


Yes, the implication of this is that time travel is possible. What you must understand, however, is that time travel is only possible in one direction--forward in time. There is an upper limit as to what velocity an object can travel at: the speed of light, designated c in physics texts. If an object possesses mass, it cannot travel at c, only massless particles can do this. As a particle approaches c, time relative to it proceeds much slower than a particle nearly at rest. By traveling at high speeds, you can slow down the rate of time relative to you, but you can not travel back in time, as your post appears to imply. In fact, one of the biggest hurdles that supersymmetric string theory had to overcome was the problem of the theorized existence of a tachyon, a particle that could travel faster than light, and thus, backward through time. In a new formulation of string theory, this problem was solved through by the use of additional dimensions. This is where six dimensional Calabi-Yau shapes come into play, but we'll leave that for another day.

If you want to study more on the subject, study the "Twin Paradox" on Google. Also look up the concept of time dilation.


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i don't really understand what that actually means tho. basically, that the speed of a planet's rotation determines, physically, how time passes?

also, since it's mentioned, speeding up the passage of time may be possible, but probably not for humans tho, huh? wouldn't your body need enourmous amounts of energy to function at that rate of speed?
 
Originally posted by: jb
i don't really understand what that actually means tho. basically, that the speed of a planet's rotation determines, physically, how time passes?

The whole point of the theory of relativity is that space/time are relative, and with the particular outcome that the apparent rate of passage of time when measured relative to two observers is dependent on their relative velocity. However, for observers within the same frame of reference (for instance, two people standing on the surface of the Earth), changing the speed of the frame of reference as a whole does not change what they observe relative to each other. But if you changed the rotational speed of the earth, you would (very slightly) change the amount of time that passes here relative to someone, say, on the Moon.

also, since it's mentioned, speeding up the passage of time may be possible, but probably not for humans tho, huh? wouldn't your body need enourmous amounts of energy to function at that rate of speed?

Google for "twin paradox"; basically, if you crank yourself up to a very high speed relative to an observer, time will pass much more slowly for you than for the observer. The effect is as if you "travelled into the future". It would require a vast amount of energy (and with current technologies, a relatively long time) to get you up to such a high speed, and then to slow you back down.
 
Some atomic clocks are so precise that it is possible to detect a time dillation if you move them in a gravity field (by comparing several clocks), since seismic effects cause everything on earth to constantly move up and down just slightly this causes problems with the international time-standard.
One way to solve this would be to put clocks into orbit around earth were this effect is much weaker.

From what I understand there is a French clockwhich is sensitve enought to detect the motion of Paris.
 
Originally posted by: f95toli
Some atomic clocks are so precise that it is possible to detect a time dillation if you move them in a gravity field (by comparing several clocks), since seismic effects cause everything on earth to constantly move up and down just slightly this causes problems with the international time-standard.
One way to solve this would be to put clocks into orbit around earth were this effect is much weaker.

From what I understand there is a French clockwhich is sensitve enought to detect the motion of Paris.

According to Chirac Paris is the center of the universe, everything revolves around France, hehe....
 
What you must understand, however, is that time travel is only possible in one direction--forward in time.

I saw something on the Discovery Channel about a professor at Cambridge (I think) that is trying to build a real life practical time machine that does go back into the past. To start he is just going to try sending sub-atomic particles, but that would theoretically allow him to send information back to the past (only as far back as when the time machine was created). He's using some high-powered array of lasers arranged in a spiral pattern. I wonder if we'll ever hear anything more of it. I almost hope not cuz that would be a scary world.
 
This is something we shouldn't 'f' with if you ask me.

Falls into the wrong hands... you can say good bye to any kind of stability. And here's a shocker, what if time has already been changed? What if the South originally won the war? What if we didn't make it on the moon first? What if we didn't invent nuclear bombs first?

Boggles the mind 🙂
 
They would use it to go back in time and kill hitler, then Red Alert 2(the game) would happen in real life. USA would be made defenceless by some psychic weirdo, while we will have a single woman who will be our commando to fight the forces of the soviet unind. We would also bring einstein back to life and have him create a weather control device, and a chronosphere.

And eventually the psychic weirdo would have his revenge for some reason or another.
 
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