"Time to Stop ISIS"

[Atreus21]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/385993/time-stop-isis-charles-krauthammer

Krauthammer gives Obama credit where its due here. I thought this was pretty even-handed.

Baghdad called President Obama’s bluff and he came through. He had refused to provide air support to Iraqi government forces until the Iraqis got rid of their divisive sectarian prime minister.

They did. He responded.

With the support of U.S. air strikes, Iraqi and Kurdish forces have retaken the Mosul dam. Previous strikes had relieved the siege of Mount Sinjar and helped the Kurds retake two strategic towns that had opened the road to a possible Islamic State assault on Irbil, the capital of Kurdistan.

In following through, Obama demonstrated three things: the effectiveness of even limited U.S. power, the vulnerability of the Islamic State, and, crucially, his own seriousness, however tentative.
The last of these is the most important. Obama had said that there was no American military solution to the conflict. This may be true, but there is a local military solution. And that solution requires U.S. air support.

It can work. The Islamic State is overstretched. It’s a thin force of perhaps 15,000 trying to control a territory four times the size of Israel. Its supply lines are not just extended but exposed and highly vulnerable to air power.

Stopping the Islamic State’s momentum creates a major shift in psychology. Guerrilla armies thrive on a sense of inevitability. The Islamic State has grown in size, demoralized its enemies, and attracted recruits from all over the world because it seemed unstoppable, a real caliphate in the making.

People follow the strong horse over the weak horse, taught Osama bin Laden. These jihadists came out of nowhere and shocked the world by capturing Mosul, Tikrit, and the approaches to Kurdistan, heretofore assumed to be impregnable.

Now that’s begun to be reversed.

Obama was slow to bring American power to bear. And slower still to arm the Kurds. But he was right to wait until Baghdad had gotten rid of Nouri al-Maliki, lest the U.S. serve as a Shiite air force. We don’t know how successful Haider al-Abadi will be in forming a more national government. But Obama has for now wisely taken advantage of the Abadi opening.

The problem is that the new policy has outgrown the rationale. Our reason for returning to Iraq, explained Obama, is twofold: preventing genocide and protecting U.S. personnel.

If you'd like to read the rest, kindly visit the site via the link above.

I was pleased that Obama kept his word about assistance if Iraq got rid of Al-Maliki. I was pleased with the result of the airstrikes and the retaking of the dam.

I urge not necessarily a larger commitment of forces, but that our objective be overt: the eradication of the Islamic State.

 

[Genx87]

I think their numbers are closer to 100K. But the thing I am surprised about is how organized and well trained they appear to be. Where are they getting funding?

 

[CPA]

I think their numbers are closer to 100K. But the thing I am surprised about is how organized and well trained they appear to be. Where are they getting funding?

I read they are pulling in $2M/day from the oil wells and two refineries they took over.

 

[inachu]

Funny how people argue of the mess of the situation instead of pointing out the facts that started this whole mess in the first place but no. We need tv ratings and support for end time cults.

 

[Atreus21]

Funny how people argue of the mess of the situation instead of pointing out the facts that started this whole mess in the first place but no. We need tv ratings and support for end time cults.

What started this whole mess in the first place?

 

[Attic]

Yea, I had to change my tune on this. Begrundingly support what Obama's doing here as well as his method, but I still feel that somethings wrong about getting dragged into growing milatary conflict in the area again.

 

[inachu]

What started this whole mess in the first place?

Before we were suck into the current situation way back in the 1960's it was more of LEFT WING VS RIGHT WING internal fight like we normalyl see today on TV..... you know....... oh those stupid republicans!---- Oh those stupid democrats!!

Then the hippie movement started by the guy who came back from Nepal and started the hippie movement and it was at that time Richard Pearle came onto the scene and became the most famous modern flip flopper.

It was Richard Pearle who said on TV that "NO!!!! It is a conservative ideology to go to war and kill!"

Before Richard Pearle we all knew in science that to expend energy you can not conserve. So Richard earle flip flopped the definition of what a conservative really is and before that he was a stone cold die hard Liberal and was proud of it.

So now he was after flip flopping now he rewrote the definition of what a conservative meant by doing that.

So now is the attack of the American Ideology that Richard Pearle started against Americans VIA television. The first people he got to his side was the end time cultists called the WATCH TOWER and then later on 10 years later he got the evangelicals because now war as a religious ideology he now has JESUS on his side even though he(RICHARD PEARLE) is a jew.

So now from the 60's to the 1980's he had to talk talk talk his way up and soon he got the ears of people in USA GOVT in the 1980's.

People knew to be weary of him because even president nixon said we should not trust those jews.

Sure nixon was an ass for his watergate scandal but what he said about the manipulators such as Richard Pearle was 100% truth!

This is not about antisemitism but they would like you think that so by yelling out anti semitism they can do more manipulations inside the USA govt.

 

[Atreus21]

Yea, I had to change my tune on this. Begrundingly support what Obama's doing here as well as his method, but I still feel that somethings wrong about getting dragged into growing milatary conflict in the area again.

To me, this is exactly the sort of entity that radical Islam should've avoided creating. The one thing we're good at fighting is a well-defined enemy. But they've declared a new state. They've broadcast their evil quite plainly. The only thing they could do now is create a standing army with uniforms and insignias, to engage in conventional warfare.

 

[Moonbeam]

The CBD ceases to be a brain defect when faced with an external enemy. The fear of a radical anything, including killers hiding behind Islam, is a rational fear, made rational by the actual atrocities they commit.

 

[inachu]

To me, this is exactly the sort of entity that radical Islam should've avoided creating. The one thing we're good at fighting is a well-defined enemy. But they've declared a new state. They've broadcast their evil quite plainly. The only thing they could do now is create a standing army with uniforms and insignias, to engage in conventional warfare.

Oh no!

Now the muslims are sounding like a MODERN GEORGE WASHINGTON!

They left their countries to build anew just like us! Woah!

 

[bshole]

I disagree with doing anything at all. We have had 30 years of active meddling. Let them figure it out. Talk radio is going nuts screaming for American boots on the ground. They have completely lost their mind.

Inachu, you need some English lessons. It appears that you picked a bunch of random words and stuck them together. That heap of shit you laid on this board is completely indecipherable.

 

[inachu]

I disagree with doing anything at all. We have had 30 years of active meddling. Let them figure it out. Talk radio is going nuts screaming for American boots on the ground. They have completely lost their mind.

Inachu, you need some English lessons. It appears that you picked a bunch of random words and stuck them together. That heap of shit you laid on this board is completely indecipherable.

VS the heap of steamy shit you just put out that that is fogging up my glasses worse than a Jim Florentine telemarketing call.

 

[bshole]

To me, this is exactly the sort of entity that radical Islam should've avoided creating. The one thing we're good at fighting is a well-defined enemy. But they've declared a new state. They've broadcast their evil quite plainly. The only thing they could do now is create a standing army with uniforms and insignias, to engage in conventional warfare.

The well-defined enemy of America are war-mongering Americans trying to get our nation involved in yet another Middle East civil war. These loathsome insectile swine should have been kicked from the table of international discourse years ago.

 

[inachu]

We just need to get back to good ole Americana who does not get swayed by ANY religious ideology no matter what. Because that is what America used to be.

 

[Atreus21]

Oh no!

Now the muslims are sounding like a MODERN GEORGE WASHINGTON!

They left their countries to build anew just like us! Woah!

Yeah to build anew.

And slaughter every man, woman, and child who doesn't convert to Sunni Islam. Just like GW, man.

 

[trenchfoot]

Islamic State has no Air Force or effective anti-air capability to counter what we can bring to bear from the air. In essence, they are scorpions in a sandbox waiting to be picked off just like Saddam's ground forces were in Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. And if IS decided to form up a mass attack on another large city, well, here comes "Highway of Death" v 2.0 now that we've let the dogs loose.

Best bet for IS now is to infiltrate, mix in with the innocents and terrorize into submission from the inside, like how it's usually done.

 

[Atreus21]

We just need to get back to good ole Americana who does not get swayed by ANY religious ideology no matter what. Because that is what America used to be.

 

[inachu]

Yeah to build anew.

And slaughter every man, woman, and child who doesn't convert to Sunni Islam. Just like GW, man.

Richard Pearle has argued the same for Israeli IDF.

He even stated on USA tv. Palestianians are our american indians! We should kill them!

So far even a few republican jews have stated that 800,000 childrens deaths was worth it!

So yeah its love for blood on both sides. America does not need either side at all.

 

[zinfamous]

Before we were suck into the current situation way back in the 1960's it was more of LEFT WING VS RIGHT WING internal fight like we normalyl see today on TV..... you know....... oh those stupid republicans!---- Oh those stupid democrats!!

Then the hippie movement started by the guy who came back from Nepal and started the hippie movement and it was at that time Richard Pearle came onto the scene and became the most famous modern flip flopper.

It was Richard Pearle who said on TV that "NO!!!! It is a conservative ideology to go to war and kill!"

Before Richard Pearle we all knew in science that to expend energy you can not conserve. So Richard earle flip flopped the definition of what a conservative really is and before that he was a stone cold die hard Liberal and was proud of it.

So now he was after flip flopping now he rewrote the definition of what a conservative meant by doing that.

So now is the attack of the American Ideology that Richard Pearle started against Americans VIA television. The first people he got to his side was the end time cultists called the WATCH TOWER and then later on 10 years later he got the evangelicals because now war as a religious ideology he now has JESUS on his side even though he(RICHARD PEARLE) is a jew.

So now from the 60's to the 1980's he had to talk talk talk his way up and soon he got the ears of people in USA GOVT in the 1980's.

People knew to be weary of him because even president nixon said we should not trust those jews.

Sure nixon was an ass for his watergate scandal but what he said about the manipulators such as Richard Pearle was 100% truth!

This is not about antisemitism but they would like you think that so by yelling out anti semitism they can do more manipulations inside the USA govt.

I'm trying to put all of this together....it's like you may have these thoughts and ideas fully-formed in your head--maybe--but what you have posted here isn't very coherent.

This is a bunch of jumbly, disconnected events and individuals, what and whom you haven't really taken the time to explain.

Maybe there is some truth or some reason to what you are saying, but this starts to look like the disjointed ravings of some not-exactly-related conspiracy arguments.

 

[inachu]

I'm trying to put all of this together....it's like you may have these thoughts and ideas fully-formed in your head--maybe--but what you have posted here isn't very coherent.

This is a bunch of jumbly, disconnected events and individuals, what and whom you haven't really taken the time to explain.

Maybe there is some truth or some reason to what you are saying, but this starts to look like the disjointed ravings of some not-exactly-related conspiracy arguments.

Just read it out loud to yourself. Yeah maybe I should make better paragraphs and such. But it is all true and Richard Pearle should be held for crimes against humanity against Americans and muslims and jews.

 

[Moonbeam]

Just read it out loud to yourself. Yeah maybe I should make better paragraphs and such. But it is all true and Richard Pearle should be held for crimes against humanity against Americans and muslims and jews.

We should have never gone into Iraq. But we did and now a group of fanatics who kill people who don't convert to their religion are doing just that. What do we do, leave them to their killing? How do we fix what we broke or can we, or do we try? I find it to be a difficult question. It looks for all the world like we are pretty incompetent at doing much of anything right, so maybe we should just let the people die by the hands we helped to create, or in for a penny, in for a pound?

 

[NesuD]

VS the heap of steamy shit you just put out that that is fogging up my glasses worse than a Jim Florentine telemarketing call.

Nope Bshole is right. Your post is an indecipherable heap of shit. Made my eyes hurt trying vainly to figure out your point.

 

[inachu]

We should have never gone into Iraq. But we did and now a group of fanatics who kill people who don't convert to their religion are doing just that. What do we do, leave them to their killing? How do we fix what we broke or can we, or do we try? I find it to be a difficult question. It looks for all the world like we are pretty incompetent at doing much of anything right, so maybe we should just let the people die by the hands we helped to create, or in for a penny, in for a pound?

If I was president I would wash my hands of it. Totally leave Every Islam nation and leave Israel and stop payment to any and all musilm nations and stop payments permanently to Israel and its people and groups.

Put America on course and send apology to the world saying we are sorry for being manipulated by a radical religous bunch in USA.

If ISrael can do this to America then fast foward to a future when any relgion and shape national agendas based on their ideologies.

It has been stated several times that NOT ONE WAR in the history of mankind has been won over ideologies. NONE. Thats right so this proves those cults want USA to be there forever and that is TOTALLY WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Also I would ban any PAC group managed by a foreign nation and I would mark AIPAC as spies of a foreign nation and USA govt is banned from dealing with them in any and all forms.

 

[PokerGuy]

I have to give credit where it is due -- obummer is doing the right thing. I'm not in favor of putting US lives on the line on the ground, but I would not be opposed to the US starting a major air campaign to obliterate anything that smells like ISIS. Let the kurds, and iraqi government mop up on the ground after we take out all significant heavy weaponry from the sky.

We also need to encourage all the crazies currently living in the western world (UK, US etc) to "join the fight" -- give them free trips to go join isis, then let them get killed there. Much better than having them living here and being a danger to all of us.

 

[Moonbeam]

If I was president I would wash my hands of it. Totally leave Every Islam nation and leave Israel and stop payment to any and all musilm nations and stop payments permanently to Israel and its people and groups.

Put America on course and send apology to the world saying we are sorry for being manipulated by a radical religous bunch in USA.

If ISrael can do this to America then fast foward to a future when any relgion and shape national agendas based on their ideologies.

It has been stated several times that NOT ONE WAR in the history of mankind has been won over ideologies. NONE. Thats right so this proves those cults want USA to be there forever and that is TOTALLY WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Also I would ban any PAC group managed by a foreign nation and I would mark AIPAC as spies of a foreign nation and USA govt is banned from dealing with them in any and all forms.

Then you have found the answer for you. For me, none of what you said addresses the complexity I see. I don't have an answer.