Time to start preparing for Life after the Oil Crash

[Nietzscheusw]

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

"Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You."


Dear Reader,

Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky conclusion of a religious cult, but rather the result of diligent analysis sourced by hard data and the scientists who study global ?Peak Oil? and related geo-political events.

So who are these nay-sayers who claim the sky is falling? Conspiracy fanatics? Apocalypse Bible prophesy readers? To the contrary, they are some of the most respected, highest paid geologists and experts in the world. And this is what's so scary.

The situation is so dire that even George W. Bush's Energy Adviser, Matthew Simmons, has acknowledged that "The situation is desperate. This is the world's biggest serious question."

According to Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham, "America faces a major energy supply crisis over the next two decades. The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nation's economic prosperity, compromise our national security, and literally alter the way we lead our lives."

You can read all the facts here (maybe you should serve yourself a glass of vodka before):

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/


The Connections Between Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force, 9/11 and Peak Oil are On the Table

Kucinich is the only candidate who mentions Peak Oil. But no candidate was bold enough to tell you about all the consequences.


People are discussing the Oil Peak here:
"Peaking will be catastrophic" report to US Dept. of Energy on Oil Peak

 

[Strk]

So, I'll be 37 to witness this one; I guess I'll stick around to see how it turns out

I'm curious about that new Nuclear reactor they are planning to build in Japan or France though. As well as the widespread use of things like biodiesel.(I was snooping around Toyota's Euro site; they have a nice diesel line-up) I know it won't save us when this occurs, but hey, anything is better than nothing

 

[alchemize]

Tin foil crew got a weekend pass from the assylum. Fromthewilderness.com

How many days till NY gets nuked, Schitzo Nitczcho? I'm taking all of your credited prediction sources very seriously.

 

[Nietzscheusw]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Tin foil crew got a weekend pass from the assylum. Fromthewilderness.com

How many days till NY gets nuked, Schitzo Nitczcho? I'm taking all of your credited prediction sources very seriously.

Let me guess what is going on in your mind: "we have enough oil forever and noone would benefit from a new 9-11, just like noone benefitted from 9-11." Can you remind us of the polls regarding the popularity of Bush before and after 9-11? And didn't 9-11 have great financial consequences for corporations like Halliburton, where Cheney has many friends? The oil fields of Iraq benefitted french and russian oil corporations before 9-11, US oil corporations after 9-11, didn't they?
You use the word tinfoil because you refuse to face the simple fact that the powers that be lie to you, little child. Why can't you grow up? Too fragile to face reality?

 

[nutxo]

I got my guns, Ill just eat my neighbors. Damn libs dont believe in citizens owning guns.

They will be easy prey

 

[Nietzscheusw]

Originally posted by: nutxo
Damn libs dont believe in citizens owning guns.

That used to be true.
But we are changing our minds regarding this issue.

 

[rufruf44]

Good, then we'll finally be forced to switch to much cleaner energy sources which is better for these little planet, and will deprived the Arabian peninsula from any political influence & wealth..

 

[colonel]

i think we will cure the obesity problem in the USA

 

[ReiAyanami]

No surprise considering:

1) China has 1.2 billion ppl.
2) They are the fastest growing economy at a blazing 8-10%.

soon they'll make all our oil belong to them and they'll use our dollars to do it! (funneled thru walmart first of course)

Oil isn't infinite otherwise any oil company could just strike one oil field and tap it to infinity.
We'll be pushed to cleaner alternatives like ethanol, only $10 a gallon, or solar cells (Siemens said they're making ones that are 20x efficient)

But if we run out of oil before the solution is found. Good by world

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
No surprise considering:

1) China has 1.2 billion ppl.
2) They are the fastest growing economy at a blazing 8-10%.

soon they'll make all our oil belong to them and they'll use our dollars to do it! (funneled thru walmart first of course)

Oil isn't infinite otherwise any oil company could just strike one oil field and tap it to infinity.
We'll be pushed to cleaner alternatives like ethanol, only $10 a gallon, or solar cells (Siemens said they're making ones that are 20x efficient)

But if we run out of oil before the solution is found. Good by world

When will Siemens have them ready though?

 

[ReiAyanami]

they said last year they'd have it up to 10x (1000%) efficiency, within two years. well a year has past and nothing new. i doubt they'll even come close to their superficial deadline but hope is better than no hope.

then again, HP and the UC system said we'd have quantum computers in 5-10 years. they said that about 5 years ago.

 

[heartsurgeon]

you guys have no historical perspective...you think all this mumbo jumbo is new?

when i was a kid....40 years ago...the liberals were screaming that overpopulation was going to kill us off real soon (every see that classic "Soylent Green", that's the crap people believed)..
in the 70's...polution was going to end life as we know it.
in the 70's...we were going to run out of oil in the next 30 years..oops....we found more reserves..

now it's "global warming"
there seems to be a group of people that make a living off of predicting the end of the world....they've been around a long time...

 

[Nietzscheusw]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
you guys have no historical perspective...you think all this mumbo jumbo is new?

when i was a kid....40 years ago...the liberals were screaming that overpopulation was going to kill us off real soon (every see that classic "Soylent Green", that's the crap people believed)..
in the 70's...polution was going to end life as we know it.
in the 70's...we were going to run out of oil in the next 30 years..oops....we found more reserves..

now it's "global warming"
there seems to be a group of people that make a living off of predicting the end of the world....they've been around a long time...

It is the end of cheap oil that we are talking about.
The consequences are not trivial.
Did you try to think about them, or did you read an article about them?

 

[charrison]

As oil prices rise, other sources of energy will become viable. At $30-40/barrel tar sands and shale become viable products. Cars will also become more effecient as gas prices rise. We have 200 years of coal left, which could be convered into liquid fuels. And then there is Methane hydrid. Lets not forget nuke power become real attrive as we have enough uranium to power us for hundreds of years.
Solar and wind will no doubt be players if oil hits $100/barrel.

The stone age did not end because of lack of stones, I doubt the oil age will end because of lack of oil.

 

[burnedout]

Time to start preparing for Life after the Oil Crash

We are

 

[heartsurgeon]

It is the end of cheap oil that we are talking about.

I believe that adjusted for inflation, oil today costs the same that it did 30 years ago...

 

[zephyrprime]

As oil prices rise, other sources of energy will become viable. At $30-40/barrel tar sands and shale become viable products. Cars will also become more effecient as gas prices rise. We have 200 years of coal left, which could be convered into liquid fuels. And then there is Methane hydrid. Lets not forget nuke power become real attrive as we have enough uranium to power us for hundreds of years.
Solar and wind will no doubt be players if oil hits $100/barrel.

I was gonna say that but you beat me to it. Oil shale, tar sands, methane hydrates.

 

[Jmman]

This same junk keeps getting posted about every couple of months. The reserves of oil shales and tar sands can conservatively last the next five hundred years or more. I am not going to say that we need to disregard alternative energy sources, but I am not going to sell the SUV and move into the fortified bunker just yet.......

And by the way, the extraction techniques are getting cheaper and more efficient all the time. All of the studies I have seen point to the price of oil remaining more or less within the range we see today......

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: charrison
The stone age did not end because of lack of stones, I doubt the oil age will end because of lack of oil.

Nobody ever mentions biodiesel, what do you think about that char?

 

[ReiAyanami]

This same junk keeps getting posted about every couple of months. The reserves of oil shales and tar sands can conservatively last the next five hundred years or more.

wow, 500 years!! why not just put that number at infinity and bury our heads in the sand.

how bout us ATOT'ers fund an energy start-up company, all we need to do is find a single mine or oil reserve and then we can tap it to infinity because apparently each one has infinite energy inside, something MobilTExxon doesn't want you to know.

in the 70's...polution was going to end life as we know it.
in the 70's...we were going to run out of oil in the next 30 years..oops....we found more reserves..

i guess you didn't live in the 70's. well neither did i. but i did a report on it, and oil shortages are not fun. you do realize that if there was 500 years worth of shale shells beneath us, why do we need to import a single drop of oil, let alone 46%?

in theory we could just tap our own oil reserves at 200% and we would not need any middle east oil. so why don't we do that?

 

[jeremy806]

Umm.. a nuclear reactor costs 13 billion.... even so, where is the problem, the current U.S. budget floats around 2.5 Trillion. With a little prioritizing as needed, we'll have reactors all over the place when the time comes.

Jeremy

 

[leeboy]

Originally posted by: nutxo
I got my guns, Ill just eat my neighbors. Damn libs dont believe in citizens owning guns.

They will be easy prey

LMAO. Not all libs shy away from guns. Good old Michigan CCW thanks very much We are counting on you underestimating our desire not to end up on your dinner menu. Bon appetite!

 

[SuperTool]

I bike to work.
Not saying that oil won't eventually get more expensive, but you have to understand that once it does, alternative energy forms will become more attractive, and at some point there will be a balance. For example, when oil energy is more expensive than solar, people will move to solar, and that will take demand off oil and the prices will stabilize. They may stabilize higher than they are now, but eventually they will.

 

[Nietzscheusw]

Uranium, too, has a Hubbert's peak, and the current known reserves can supply the earth's energy needs for only 25 years at best.
Anyway, many of you seem to underestimate the time to adapt our civilization and the crucial problem of the price of energy, in my opinion.
Last winter many here complained about the sudden rise of their heating bills. From what I read elsewhere many US families cannot afford to heat their homes as much as they used to, if at all.
If the price of energy doubles or triples by 2010, the price of everything you buy will surge. You will become poor. Many companies will see their costs rise, their clients becoming poorer, their sales plummet,...a huge economic crisis lies down the road.
The huge economic boom of the 20th century was only possible thanks to cheap energy, cheap oil.
Cheap oil is everywhere.
"Cheap oil" will soon become "luxury oil".

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
This same junk keeps getting posted about every couple of months. The reserves of oil shales and tar sands can conservatively last the next five hundred years or more.

wow, 500 years!! why not just put that number at infinity and bury our heads in the sand.

how bout us ATOT'ers fund an energy start-up company, all we need to do is find a single mine or oil reserve and then we can tap it to infinity because apparently each one has infinite energy inside, something MobilTExxon doesn't want you to know.

in the 70's...polution was going to end life as we know it.
in the 70's...we were going to run out of oil in the next 30 years..oops....we found more reserves..

i guess you didn't live in the 70's. well neither did i. but i did a report on it, and oil shortages are not fun. you do realize that if there was 500 years worth of shale shells beneath us, why do we need to import a single drop of oil, let alone 46%?

in theory we could just tap our own oil reserves at 200% and we would not need any middle east oil. so why don't we do that?

CaptnKirk insightfully commented on and posted some very good info regarding oil shale and extraction a while back. The major drawback seems to be cost right now. Nevertheless, the quantity of untapped oil shale in the USA is incredible. The United States, if I'm not mistaken, has the largest oil shale and coal reserves on the planet.

Personally, I see us transitioning to a combination of petroleum-related energy sources (TDP, oil shale, alcohol, coal) for our near-term transportation needs along with increased emphasis on renewable (geothermal, tidal, wind) sources. Policy from the top, meaning the executive branch, will dictate how we pursue this. For example, former-President Carter called for increased U.S. oil exploration and production during the 70s. This resulted in an oil boom here in Texas during the 70s and a bust in the 80s.

IMO, the petroleum-related area could be a very promising career field for all of you young, aspiring chemical engineers in the future. However, economics usually dictates innovation. So long as ME oil remains "affordable", we'll continue purchasing the stuff.