Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Aelius
Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
We would have to let them develop their own militarys before we pulled out though.
This probably conflicts with "regional interests" aka controlling our "allies"...
Controlling allies was the bedrock principles for the foreign policies of both Communist Russia and Nazi Germany.
Someone explain to me, without shooting themselves in the foot in the process, why we are doing this.
As a deterrent to stop aggression in the region. I think some of you are being way too naive in believing if we simply left the area all would be fine and dandy.
Considering the amount of computer and telecommunication equipment that comes out of Taiwan, and other products out of S. Korea. Simply packing up and hoping for the best is not a wise idea.
I am positive the reason N.Korea hasnt launched an attack on S. Korea is because of our presense.
That is the textbook answer I was looking for. Very good point and a very valid answer. True even.
However the US should not be exerting political power over the world. Regardless of how bad certain nations are preceived to be or known to be. It is not in us to govern the fate of other nations, that is theirs to make. Alliances are that, an alliance. It doesn't mean we place troops in a country indefinately. It means we defend them or assist them as needed should they come under attack. No nation has a right or feel that it has the right to exert control over another.
This sort of foreign policy is very similar to the way the US government acts in domestic affairs. It puts its nose into everything from state and local laws (which it then tries to turn into federal laws) and snooping into the lives its own population.
The only thing the federal government should be doing is protecting the rights of each citizen (not illegals), ensure the safety of the country from invasion or otherwise (without violating the first) and come to the aid of our allies should they come under attack or are threatened.
Anything beyond that and a country is exerting control. Which is what is going on right now. Sure it may seem that some nations may want us to stay in the region but it's not a straight answer. The US has refused to provide military high technology to Taiwan because of Chinese influence. In turn Taiwan wants us to remain. I'm not sure if it's the same story in both South Korea and Japan but I'm willing to bet that it is.
This serves two purposes for the US. The Chinese are importing cheap goods (in many cases made for US companies) which drives profits for big business in the US. Lastly it gives a motive for the US to remain in the region to exert political influence.
There is no good will in this anywhere. That's a shroud. Good will was back in the 40s and 50s. 50-60 years later it's a politicaly acceptable excuse that people still seem to blindly buy into.
You want a fix? Don't deal with nations that do not follow our 3 bedrock ideals I named above. That means cutting off all ties with nations like China, Nigeria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Russia, Pakistan, India etc. The list is far too long.
You worry about Oil? There are workable alternatives. There are no excuses.
If nations want to trade or a military alliance they need to earn that and we should not take advantage of the situation like a cheap pimp. There wouldn't be any issues at all with alliances or trade with such nations since they would not be at odds with one another if they followed our 3 bedrock principles.
Problem solved.
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