Time to get rid of the takeout slide at second base

[Blackjack200]

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/p...at-ruined-everybodys-night-except-the-dodgers

Garbage play from a garbage player. It's fucking lunacy that this is still tolerated, but I bet that changes next year. Sucks for Tejada and the Mets that this is what it takes though.

 

[shabby]

Too bad his knee didn't break his face.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Way dirty.

 

[Chaosblade02]

This is why wusses shouldn't have the right to make a decision about anything other than themselves.

This has been part of baseball, its a tactic that has been used, and players anticipate it. Its a tactic to keep runners from getting doubled up as easily. If you slide at the 2nd baseman, that increases the likelihood he'll make an error when throwing to get the runner at first base out, or at least slow him down enough to give the runner and opportunity to beat the throw. Every time someone gets hurt with a slide, its boo hoo *snivels* what a mean rule! These star players are paid millions of dollars a year, and the guy hit with the slide is getting a free vacation, with pay.

 

[waggy]

has it been part of baseball? yes.

should it be taken out? yes. shit like that is insane. it's not just a game its a livelihood.

 

[Blackjack200]

This is why wusses shouldn't have the right to make a decision about anything other than themselves.

This has been part of baseball, its a tactic that has been used, and players anticipate it.

As the article pointed out, so were collisions at the plate, cleating guys, and fighing umpires. Times change.

Its a tactic to keep runners from getting doubled up as easily. If you slide at the 2nd baseman, that increases the likelihood he'll make an error when throwing to get the runner at first base out, or at least slow him down enough to give the runner and opportunity to beat the throw.

No shit sherlock. But there's no reason to allow a player to deliberately interfere with another player outside of tradition. Would you allow a pitcher to clothesline a runner rounding third? Why not? He was merely running to back up the play at third base. And by clotheslining the runner, it increases the likelyhood they can get him out at the plate.

Every time someone gets hurt with a slide, its boo hoo *snivels* what a mean rule! These star players are paid millions of dollars a year, and the guy hit with the slide is getting a free vacation, with pay.

It is the Mets fan who are punished here, losing one of their important players to a rule that's straight out of 1890.

 

[KMFJD]

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/p...at-ruined-everybodys-night-except-the-dodgers

Garbage play from a garbage player. It's fucking lunacy that this is still tolerated, but I bet that changes next year. Sucks for Tejada and the Mets that this is what it takes though.

should have gotten out of the way, not a dirty play and nothing will get changed next year

 

[Blackjack200]

has it been part of baseball? yes.

should it be taken out? yes. shit like that is insane. it's not just a game its a livelihood.

It's just straight up cheating that has been tolerated up to now. Like hand-checking in basketball, the hooking and intereference that was allowed in ice hockey until 10 years ago, or the defensive interference that was uncalled in football until the Ty Law rule.

 

[Blackjack200]

should have gotten out of the way, not a dirty play and nothing will get changed next year

Out of the way? He was five feet from the bag. Hard to get out of the way of someone that has determined to slide into you rather than the base.

 

[Chaosblade02]

As the article pointed out, so were collisions at the plate, cleating guys, and fighing umpires. Times change.

Yeah ok, so lets make all sports into nothing but sunshine, rainbows, holding hands and singing kumbaya.

No shit sherlock. But there's no reason to allow a player to deliberately interfere with another player outside of tradition. Would you allow a pitcher to clothesline a runner rounding third? Why not? He was merely running to back up the play at third base. And by clotheslining the runner, it increases the likelyhood they can get him out at the plate.

This is just a bunch of hysterical nonsense, not even worth replying to.

It is the Mets fan who are punished here, losing one of their important players to a rule that's straight out of 1890.

How many games are played per year total between all teams, and how many players are injured every year from slides? Yeah, lets put this into perspective from a larger picture here instead of getting hysterical over a rare occurrence.

Mets fans should suck it up rather than act like a bunch of teenage butthurt queens. Where do you draw the line? What if your *sniffs* star player got hit in the face with a line drive? Are you going to start analyzing bats and the composition of balls just because your *star* player got hit in the face by a ball? I mean seriously, shut the fuck up and quit whining. Things get physical on soccer fields, football fields, hockey rings, basketball courts, etc. Shit happens. Professional sports are physical #dealwithit.

 

[brianmanahan]

honestly, i would have thought they'd haven taken it out when ty cobb pulled all his career-ending crap

 

[kranky]

Just like the Rose/Fosse incident, this is a situation that will bring a rule change because it was in a big game and it was so egregious. He was still airborne when he got parallel to the base. And it's identical to the play where the Cubs' Coghlin ended the Pirates' Jung Ho Kang's season. That's two serious injuries to key players on good teams in the same season - you can be sure something will be done.

I have no problem with people sliding hard into the base, but you need to be sliding into the base, not to wherever the infielder happens to be.

 

[brianmanahan]

This is why wusses shouldn't have the right to make a decision about anything other than themselves.

you should play baseball, maybe it would be good for you

 

[smackababy]

They should just take baseball out altogether. It's a garbage sport played by a bunch of roided out babies.

 

[brianmanahan]

They should just take baseball out altogether. It's a garbage sport played by a bunch of roided out babies.

and replace it with what, soccer? where a bunch of wusses writhe on the field whenever they get bumped by someone else?

 

[Chaosblade02]

Its on the 2nd basemen to anticipate the slide and either leap and toss, or reposition and toss. These are techniques that are and should be practiced. This is major league, not T-ball. Whiners try to dumb down everything. ZOMG, sliding is OP, must nerf!! LMAO!!

I'm certain nothing is going to be done, because a major rule change like this will require a collaborative effort, and I think there are enough people who would vote on this decision that have enough respect for the game to not dumb it down any more.

If people like Blackjack200 are allowed to make the rules, 100 years from now they'll be using plastic bats and squishy balls so nobody can get hurt. And now we have a sport that resembles something closer to nerf ball that 3-4 year old kids play in their backyard currently. Remember, safety first!!

 

[kranky]

and replace it with what, soccer? where a bunch of wusses writhe on the field whenever they get bumped by someone else?

My favorite soccer-playing delicate flower: https://youtu.be/hm_C5VGJcCo?t=40s

 

[Blackjack200]

Yeah ok, so lets make all sports into nothing but sunshine, rainbows, holding hands and singing kumbaya.

Yeah. You're talking to a guy that has dislocated his shoulder playing soccer and football, has essentially no anterior talofibular ligament in his ankle anymore, and currently plays adult league hockey without shoulder pads or elbow pads. Your posturing is thouroughly unimpressive.

This is just a bunch of hysterical nonsense, not even worth replying to.

Because you can't. It's the exact same rationale.

How many games are played per year total between all teams, and how many players are injured every year from slides? Yeah, lets put this into perspective from a larger picture here instead of getting hysterical over a rare occurrence.

Happened to Jung Ho Kang three weeks ago.

http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/09/18/jung-ho-kang-injury-chris-coghlan-takeout-slide-pirates-cubs

Mets fans should suck it up rather than act like a bunch of teenage butthurt queens. Where do you draw the line? What if your *sniffs* star player got hit in the face with a line drive? Are you going to start analyzing bats and the composition of balls just because your *star* player got hit in the face by a ball? I mean seriously, shut the fuck up and quit whining. Things get physical on soccer fields, football fields, hockey rings, basketball courts, etc. Shit happens. Professional sports are physical #dealwithit.

Every sport you mentioned (except maybe basketball, I don't follow it that closely) has instituted rule changes within the last 5 years to protect their players.

This is the check the ended Mike Peca's playoffs in 2002. The following offseason, this check was made illegal.

This is the slide that ended Ruben Tejada's playoffs in 2015.

 

[Blackjack200]

Just like the Rose/Fosse incident, this is a situation that will bring a rule change because it was in a big game and it was so egregious. He was still airborne when he got parallel to the base. And it's identical to the play where the Cubs' Coghlin ended the Pirates' Jung Ho Kang's season. That's two serious injuries to key players on good teams in the same season - you can be sure something will be done.

Agree, I can't imagine something won't be done. As the ESPN writer explained, it's a very easy rule change, just require the runner to slide into the base.

I have no problem with people sliding hard into the base, but you need to be sliding into the base, not to wherever the infielder happens to be.

Yup. I've played lots of infield, and if there's a tag play at a base I have no problem with a physical play because I know where the base is and I know where the runner is coming from.

 

[waggy]

To me there is a diffrence between going into the base hard and going 2 ft outside of it and into someone like he did.

trying to take out and hurt a player in baseball should not be allowed.

 

[Chaosblade02]

Yeah. You're talking to a guy that has dislocated his shoulder playing soccer and football, has essentially no anterior talofibular ligament in his ankle anymore, and currently plays adult league hockey without shoulder pads or elbow pads. Your posturing is thouroughly unimpressive.

Wow, and I thought I was an internet tough guy!!

Because you can't. It's the exact same rationale.

Only in your mind.

Lets put this into context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_schedule

The Major League Baseball season consists of 162 games for each of the 30 teams in the American League and National League, played over approximately six months—a total 2430 games, plus the playoffs.

You've only quoted me one other occasion this year that this has happened. If that's just 2 times in 2430+ games, then the odds of getting injured to some degree from a slide less than 1 in 1000 odds per game. Each team plays 162 games per year. A lot of players don't even play every game. The odds are extremely low of getting injured as it currently stands. Considering players practice to work around these slides, I'd say that's already plenty safe when you look at the bigger picture. Some people have played their entire career and have never been decommissioned by a slide. Maybe the ones hit by a slide should learn to play better. Chances are their footwork has room for improvement. Just butthurt queens making a huge deal out of a very minor issue and blowing things way out of proportion. People need to get their emotions out of their decision making and look at things logically.

 

[twinrider1]

Just like the Rose/Fosse incident, this is a situation that will bring a rule change because it was in a big game and it was so egregious. He was still airborne when he got parallel to the base. And it's identical to the play where the Cubs' Coghlin ended the Pirates' Jung Ho Kang's season. That's two serious injuries to key players on good teams in the same season - you can be sure something will be done.

I have no problem with people sliding hard into the base, but you need to be sliding into the base, not to wherever the infielder happens to be.

I wouldn't be so sure it will bring change. In the 2012 NLCS, Holliday took out Scutaro with a slide that might have even been later. Here's the clip. Note that MLB pushes it as a Must C Collision and listen to the commentators lack of outrage.

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/39049312/v25415817/must-c-collision-holliday-slides-into-scutaro


I do agree that things should change. In front of the bag, fair game. But on the bag or behind it, he should be protected. I don't know that they'll officially change the rules, but I hope they at least interpret the current rules differently and eliminate the tactic.

 

[Blackjack200]

Wow, and I thought I was an internet tough guy!!

I wasn't the one telling people to shut the fuck up. So I guess you keep the crown tough guy.

Only in your mind.

Still nothing?

Lets put this into context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_schedule

You've only quoted me one other occasion this year that this has happened. If that's just 2 times in 2430+ games, then the odds of getting injured to some degree from a slide less than 1 in 1000 odds per game. Considering players practice to work around these slides, I'd say that's already plenty safe when you look at the bigger picture.

Two of baseball's ten playoffs teams lost their starting shortstop for the playoffs.

Some people have played their entire career and have never been decommissioned by a slide. Maybe the ones hit by a slide should learn to play better.

Nice victim blaming.

 

[Zstream]

Who gives a crap? Baseball is in the same category of least violent activities out of all North American sports. Changing one play because someone got hurt on one play out of thousands is just silly.

 

[Chaosblade02]

Two of baseball's ten playoffs teams lost their starting shortstop for the playoffs.

Just a coincidence, tough luck. Maybe those star shortstops are overpaid/overrated if they got decommissioned by a gimmick like that. Its possible the backup shortstop could be just as good or better. You need to be more optimistic, instead of doom and gloom.

Nice victim blaming.

Wait, so now he's a victim?