Time to Ban High School Football...

DanC

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Fatality fumble: Football kills as many students as school shootings

WASHINGTON, DC -- High school football killed as many students last year as did guns -- which means politicians should either stop using school shootings as an excuse to attack the Second Amendment or start passing "football control" laws, the Libertarian Party said today.

"According to the latest statistics, a football is as deadly as a gun," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "So why do first downs continue to be exalted while the Second Amendment continues to be vilified?"

A new study from the National School Safety Center (NSSC) reported that there were 15 "school-associated deaths" caused by violent crime -- including guns -- during the 1999-2000 school year.

That number is unchanged from the 1998-1999 school year, when 15 students were killed by guns, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

There have been zero student gun deaths so far during this school year.

By comparison, 15 high school football players died during regular season and playoff games in 1999, according to the National Federation of State High School Associations.

Another 11 athletes have died in high school games and practices since late August of this year -- and that number is expected to rise during playoffs. In addition, another 29 players this year have suffered "catastrophic injuries" on the field, leaving them paralyzed or seriously disabled.

These numbers have Libertarians wondering: Given the carnage on our nation's high school football fields, why the outcry about guns -- and the utter silence about football fatalities?

"When 15 students are tragically killed by guns during a school year, every politician and anti-gun lobbying group expresses practiced outrage, and immediately demands new laws that infringe on the Second Amendment," said Dasbach. "But when 15 students are tragically killed by football, the silence is deafening.

"If the preventable death of any young person is a tragedy --and it is -- then why wasn't there a Million Mom March demanding an end to high school football? Why no calls from Bill Clinton for 'reasonable' football control laws? Why no saturation media coverage as dead football players are carried off the field in stretchers? Why no class-action lawsuits against Spaulding for manufacturing cheap Saturday Night Special footballs?

"Could it be that politicians get more yardage attacking guns than attacking football?"
This "outrage gap" is especially puzzling, said Dasbach, because the Constitution doesn't guarantee an explicit right to "keep and bear" footballs.

"Football is nothing more than entertainment and sport. Guns are a Constitutionally protected civil right," he said. "While every new gun-control law triggers a fight about the scope of the Second Amendment, football has no such protection.

"If he wanted to, President Clinton could lobby for an absolute ban on high school football, in order to save the lives of 15 young people every year. The fact that he doesn't, and the fact that groups like Handgun Control, Inc. don't demand such legislation, reveals that their real motive is not to save lives, but to advance an anti-gun political agenda."

Of course, Libertarians wouldn't support a ban on football any more than they support a ban on guns, said Dasbach.

"Protecting the lives of young people who play high school football is the job of parents, school officials, and coaches, not politicians," he said. "And protecting the Second Amendment is the job of every American, since so many politicians have fumbled their duty to defend the fundamental human rights -- including the right to keep and bear arms -- guaranteed in the Constitution."

 

KidViciou$

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nwo this is some BS. my time is much to important to read more than the first few paragraphs.

its pretty simple, guns are designed to kill, footballs arent. if thats the case, why dont we ban cars? they kill more high school kids than guns.
 

MegalodoN

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Not sure what the point of this post is, but it's impossible to even make this comparison.


I have the choice whether or not I want to play football. Or, when I have kids, I can keep them away from the football field.

But, If I walk into a 7-11 I don't have a choice whether I get shot during a hold up...


How about we outlaw driving for god's sakes....why don't you pull some statistics on how many people die from that...
 

BigToque

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Football is a sport. When you go out on the field, you accept the fact that people get hurt on the field. It's a part of the game. (read, when you get on the field, your signing an invisible contract that says you may be killed)

Guns however serve 1 purpose, to put holes in things. When you go to school, you dont accept the fact that you can be hurt. The school is a safe area, and guns at school are not apart of the game (school).

Trying to compare football to guns is idiotic.
 

reitz

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While I support our Second Amendment rights, that comparison is BS. I wonder how many deaths there would be if as many high school kids carried guns to class as played football.
 

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I'm not quite sure what the point of this post was but really is pointless.

There are no numbers saying how many of those deaths were related to football injuries, as were there no numbers saying how many of those deaths were caused by pre-existing conditions that happened to act up on the football field.

I'll put my money that a lot of those deaths were related to asthema, heart problems, and siezures that could of showed up from any strenous exercise.

And for the record - Women's cross country running has the highest injury rate of any sport. Lets ban that!
 

desy

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I beleive the point is that actual gun deaths are virtually insignificant compared to the many many other ways you could die but the moral outrage against guns as some type of pox on society doesn't make sense if you do some number crunching.
You assume risk playing football not death and when I played it we didn't have to sign waivers but I did when I went skydiving even though statistically I would be more likely to hurt or injure myself playing football.
 

Russ

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Ah, Desy, you are a breath of fresh air. Be careful though, logic is dangerous. It is much safer to allow emotion to rule the day.

Russ, NCNE
 

ICyourNipple

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to be very blunt, it is AMAZING that so many people could miss the point that a kindergartener should be able to understand.

the point was the outcry against guns is all politics, not to say we should ban everything that could cause death and all live in a little cushioned bubble

f'ing duh. sorry, but i couldn't help myself. again, this lack of comprehension is utterly ridiculous.
 

Ken g6

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Probably, more students would come to school with guns if they couldn't get their agressions out on the field.

This does explain why my high school required extra football insurance, though.
 

rmeijer

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Statistics can be used to argue any point to make the argument sound "logical." I still get a kick out of such posts. What's even funnier is that people actually believe them!

Let's drink to critically thinking in America!
 

vi edit

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And I still fail to see the whole point of the article.

There should be NO gun related deaths at school.

When you step onto a football field, you assume risk. I shouldn't have to assume any risk besides bad cafeteria food when I walk into a high school.
 

ICyourNipple

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the bottom line on the gun issue is people will blame anything and everything when the main cause is sh!tty parenting. movies don't kill people, video games don't kill people, and guns don't kill people.

people kill people.
 

pg22

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I was reading my Sociology book the other day, and it listed the amount of murders by guns in 1996....

US - 9,300
Japan - 15
New Zealand - 2


damn.....


P.S. Anyone ever read the book Friday Night Lights? Damn good book.
 

ICyourNipple

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japan has a much different society to ours. i would venture to say the environment the kids are raised in is the main cause. as for new zealand, not familiar enough with their lifestyle to even venture to guess.
 

hans007

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i was on my highschool track team about 4 years ago. 2 people in our city died from track. That was more than people died from shootings also, but we aren't gonna ban track. A shot put hit one guy in the head, and another guy bounce off a pole vault mat and broke his neck. You assume risk whenever you do anything physical.
 

Engine

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Ah, yes. The obligatory dumb jock comments.
I wondered when they would appear. :p