Time To Admit It: the church was right on birth control

[TerryMathews]

I think if we would teach girls to only have anal and oral sex before marriage, it would ameliorate many of these problems. Make vaginal sex seem dirty and only really acceptable for breeding purposes. I think pushing gay sex in public schools would be beneficial as well.... pitch it as a safe alternative to "normal" sex.

Great idea, let's start with you and go from there.

 

[BudAshes]

What I took from the linked article in the opening post was that widespread acceptance of birth control has lead to a moral decay of society, with especially disastrous effects on children.

Rather than looking at women as potential mates, partners and wives, men look at women as nothing more than sexual objects.

When a child comes out of that one night stand, neither parent is willing to accept responsibility for their actions. If the mother does not have an abortion, then the dad pays child support and goes on his way.




Did you read this article? http://phys.org/news197644722.html

I love this idea that white American's think the world used to be a better place. 50's television really warped people's minds. You are just a fat pussy who's biggest problems are imaginary. That's your real problem, not birth control, not Mexicans, not religion, but a general dissatisfaction with the fact that you could have done anything and instead you became you.

 

[GoPackGo]

Which of these is better for the child:

2 Parents
1 Parent
No Parents and living in an orphanage
Drowned in a Bucket

 

[Exophase]

So what counts as an out of wed-lock birth? Not married when the birth happens or not married when the sex happens?

Because I really doubt that a lot more of the latter is happening. Instead you have far fewer shotgun weddings or people getting married because they fear they'll be ostracized as a single parent. Is that what you want marriage to be about, doing it because you have to? I'm sure you get lots of great parents that way.

Nothing to do with birth control, nothing to do with sexual revolution, nothing to do with lowering standards of morality in society, everything to do with women no longer needing to marry to survive (even with a child). It's amazing that you can call that using women as sexual objects. When people want to have sex outside of marriage and with no strings attached it's a sign that both people are entering into it willingly, not that the woman is being used and oppressed by the man. Why would the woman have sex in this situation if she didn't have to? On the completely different end of the spectrum you have the old scenario where a woman, who couldn't work on her own, entered into marriage to be supported in exchange for doing all of the housework for the man.

 

[HumblePie]

Which of these is better for the child:

2 Parents
1 Parent
No Parents and living in an orphanage
Drowned in a Bucket

Answer: None of the above, but a rich sponsor through life is the *best* answer

 

[Exophase]

Not just women, but also men.

Birth control is a wonderful thing when used properly. But when society takes a 16 year old girl, gives her the pill, then tells her its ok to have sex, what is she going to do? Chances are she is going to have sex.

And yet the birth rate for teenagers has decreased year after year for the past 30+ years.

Probably because any increase in willingness to have sex via birth control is more than offset by the decrease in risk of actually getting pregnant after receiving birth control.

 

[HumblePie]

And yet the birth rate for teenagers has decreased year after year for the past 30+ years.

Probably because any increase in willingness to have sex via birth control is more than offset by the decrease in risk of actually getting pregnant after receiving birth control.

One sad but true thing is there has been a massive noticeable decrease in teen pregnancy thanks to that reality tv show I think called 16 and pregnant? NPR had a story about how they were able to track a significant decrease in teen pregnancy rate across the country thanks in part to that show specifically.

Which proves education > everything else on this subject.

 

[Texashiker]

And yet the birth rate for teenagers has decreased year after year for the past 30+ years.

What has the rate of single mothers done during that 30+ years?

What has the number of people in prison done in the past 30+ years?

I love this idea that white American's think the world used to be a better place. 50's television really warped people's minds. You are just a fat pussy who's biggest problems are imaginary. That's your real problem, not birth control, not Mexicans, not religion, but a general dissatisfaction with the fact that you could have done anything and instead you became you.

Do you have anything to say besides gibberish?

 

[GoPackGo]

Answer: None of the above, but a rich sponsor through life is the *best* answer

Yeah... I am still looking for that

 

[Exophase]

What has the rate of single mothers done during that 30+ years?

What has the number of people in prison done in the past 30+ years?

What do either of those things have to do with the comment I was responding to? I thought we were talking about the consequences for 16 year old girls.

Whether or not a child is born in wedlock doesn't tell you the whole story by itself. My parents were married when I was born, but they separated when I was three years old. For all intents and purposes I was raised by a single mother, but the data wouldn't reflect that.

Incidentally, my mother was in a better financial situation alone than she ever was with my father, who was perpetually unemployed. The separation and subsequent divorce is what actually ultimately got both sides off of welfare.

The age of marriage has gone up over time. Could be that people are more cautious about getting married, in addition to not want to interfere with having a career. Is it better to get married after pregnancy because "it's the right thing to do", only to end up in a miserable marriage that lasts a year before you split up?

 

[Darwin333]

Well, to tell you a story on one (which I've mentioned here in this forum in the past, so I apologize if you've read it before, and since it is already "public" knowledge, I'll use the same story again).

Wow! What a horrendous story and horrible person.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Because the rhythm method isn't A method at all. It's a bunch of people guessing when they can and can't have sex. So no, it is not and is not even taught.

So quit bring obtuse, it's annoying and will you will never be seen as a peer until you stop.

Apparently your real name is Bill Clinton and you like to parse the meaning of the word 'is' in your spare time.

It *is* an aspect of Natural Family Planning. While there have obviously been refinements, i.e. the Standard Days method, Natural Family planning of all approaches is still working on the same basic premises. That being, that there are 'good days' to have sex and 'bad days' to have sex if you wish to prevent conception. What's changed is that the methods of determine which days are which have become more 'scientific' than simply being mainly calendar based. And no, it's not a particularly effective method of birth control although for people who have various allergies to, say, condoms, it's about all they have.

From the Mayo Clinic:

"The rhythm method, also called the calendar method or the calendar rhythm method, is a form of natural family planning.


To use the rhythm method, you track your menstrual history to predict when you'll ovulate. This helps you determine when you're most likely to conceive.


If you're hoping to get pregnant, you can use the rhythm method to determine the best days to have sex. Similarly, if you're hoping to avoid pregnancy, you can use the rhythm method to determine which days to avoid unprotected sex.


Using the rhythm method for birth control requires careful record keeping and diligence. If you don't want to conceive, you and your partner must avoid having sex or use a barrier method of contraception during your fertile days each month."


http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/rhythm-method/basics/definition/prc-20013489





And who is it that I want to be seen as a peer by?

 

[Darwin333]

What has the rate of single mothers done during that 30+ years?

What has the number of people in prison done in the past 30+ years?

Absurdly skyrocket. We have, by a huge margin, both the highest incarceration rate per capita as well as the highest number of total people incarcerated (even more than China which has like 8 times the population than we do).

What would you attribute that huge increase in incarceration to? I know the answer but I would really like to hear yours first.

 

[Darwin333]

Is it better to get married after pregnancy because "it's the right thing to do", only to end up in a miserable marriage that lasts a year before you split up?

I am almost certain that it was Texashiker who wanted to basically outlaw divorce. All that would really do is lower the marriage rate because people would still split up with the only difference being they won't be able to remarry. They would still be free to find another partner and basically do everything they currently do except marry.

I guess you could make adultery a felony but that would only increase the prison population as well as the "single parent" situation because as I previously stated, people are going to keep on fucking. Hell countries that punish gay sex with death still have gay people fucking. If that doesn't work, and it doesn't, nothing will. We are programmed to have sex, it is quite literally one of our most basic natural instincts and nothing anyone says or does will change that.

 

[Darwin333]

It *is* an aspect of Natural Family Planning. While there have obviously been refinements, i.e. the Standard Days method, Natural Family planning of all approaches is still working on the same basic premises. That being, that there are 'good days' to have sex and 'bad days' to have sex if you wish to prevent conception. What's changed is that the methods of determine which days are which have become more 'scientific' than simply being mainly calendar based. And no, it's not a particularly effective method of birth control although for people who have various allergies to, say, condoms, it's about all they have.

From the Mayo Clinic:

"The rhythm method, also called the calendar method or the calendar rhythm method, is a form of natural family planning.


To use the rhythm method, you track your menstrual history to predict when you'll ovulate. This helps you determine when you're most likely to conceive.


If you're hoping to get pregnant, you can use the rhythm method to determine the best days to have sex. Similarly, if you're hoping to avoid pregnancy, you can use the rhythm method to determine which days to avoid unprotected sex.

To be fair I think that there have been certain tests and computer programs recently developed that have drastically increased its effectiveness.

It still confuses me as to why that is an acceptable form of birth control while others are absolutely forbidden when the end goal and result is exactly the same. Seems a bit like using a loophole in the rules.

 

[KMFJD]

http://www.newsweek.com/spains-government-pushes-unpopular-abortion-ban-228760

Not sure how they can pass a law that almost 80% of the population opposes?

 

[SheHateMe]

If you pee right after, you can't get pregnant