Time Magazine's next cover #BlackLivesMatter!

[Subyman]

Buy the magazine? Can't be reading about this stuff, opinion is entrenched. Hell no. People on twitter will fight about the cover though.

 

[emperus]

black people read time magazine?

Do white people read time magazine? If so, what would make you think black people don't?

 

[Attic]

Wow, pathetic. As if it needs to be said.... as if it such an obscure or hidden fact in our society that it needs to be posted on their magazine cover.

Staple that quote to that image... jesus. It's disingenuous and it frames the problem in an inaccurate manner. Are we this stupid to buy into this crap?

It can't be #blacklivesmatter, or black rights, or gay rights, or womens rights, or (tommorows thing) rights.

It has to be individual rights universally and equally applied. When a cop shoots an individual who is fleeing, we need to be able to look at the issue and not getting baited by professional race baiters who are standing in line to make a buck of the most recent trajedy.

Police brutality is not only effecting blacks, the case is not racism. Racists see racism in everything, I do not expect the cover to be a hit except for a small minority.



Police across the USA killed more citizens in the month of March than the UK did over the past 100 years.

U.S. Cops Kill at 100 Times the Rate of Other Capitalist Countries

Capitalist politicians here often promote the reactionary and dangerous idea of “American exceptionalism,” by which they mean that the United States is superior to all other countries. In May 2014, President Obama told graduating West Point army cadets, “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.”

One area in which the U.S. is unquestionably exceptional is the level of state violence directed against African Americans, Latinos, Native Americans and working and poor people of all nationalities. U.S. police killings outnumber those in other developed capitalist countries by as much as 100-1!

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-co...he-rate-of-other-capitalist-countries/5423183

 

[MongGrel]

I think the reason Time exists is just to make covers like that to get attention more or less in supermarket checkout aisles more or less these days.

They've taken over from The Enquirer etc from decades past.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Bill Maher recently FUCKIN NAILED why shit like this is why racism will continue

https://youtu.be/DFeDFva6tcg?t=3m45s

Why not change it to: #AllLivesMatter? Everyone gets butt-hurt and calls you a racist just for saying ALL human life matters. The video describes a woman that wanted to change it to #AllLivesMatter got absolutely hammered by racists that deem all human lives to be insignificant to black lives.

Go figure. And you wonder why racism still exists.

#BlackLivesMatter isn't about all lives, it's strictly about black lives. The hashtag/movement is specifically about how black people are killed by police and others with little consequence. #AllLivesMatter deflects attention away from that fact/perception and attempts to coopt the movement.

Relevant to this thread, moving to #AllLivesMatter would be akin to me arguing that instead of talking about the supposed 96% (I'm not gonna verify that) of black people killing black people that we should give equal weight to the number of white cops killing black people. Obviously, that's not the discussion people in this thread want to have. #BlackLivesMatter is being used for a very specific reason.

 

[cubby1223]

Part of the hypocrisy of #BlackLivesMatter was it was born out of the Ferguson incident, which begged the question of whether the life of the minority store owner whom Brown robbed mattered. It was also highly tied to the "Hands up, don't shoot!" mantra which as we have come to understand was a complete falsehood.

It's also insulting because it's projecting the image that the U.S. is a country where we do not value black lives. I personally disagree. What we need to be doing is finding things we agree on and build from there. Not pushing wedges that divide us further. But that's just my racist opinion

 

[shortylickens]

black people read time magazine?

No, but angry white liberals sure as hell do. Thats a very reliable market.

 

[Double Trouble]

What a stupid cover, but I'm sure the magazine (correctly) figured their liberal white-guilt-carrying base will lap it up.

 

[boomerang]

I think that cover is false because recently, a whole bunch of black Christians got slaughtered in Kenya by some Muslims and there wasn't much of a fuss about it. I think that's because they were black. Unless it's because they were Christians or maybe because the attackers were Muslims. Hard to say.

 

[fskimospy]

Sad, but true.

Fun facts.

Leading cause of death for black men, ages 15-19 is homicide, about 50%.
Leading cause of death for black men, ages 20-24 is homicide, about 49%
Leading cause of death for black men, ages 25-34 is homicide, about 35%

http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCODBlackmales2010.pdf

http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawi...ng-claims-about-race-after-ferguson-shooting/

In 96% of those cases the killer is a black male.

Where was the Time cover story for all those deaths? Where were the marches and the protests and the visits by Al Sharpton? Why do black lives suddenly matter now and why didn't they matter before?

Did you guys know that in more than 90% of cases where a white person is killed they are killed by another white person?

That is seriously the dumbest stat.

The reason why people are killed by members of their own race so everwhelmingly often is because we usually kill the people we know, and the U.S. is super segregated. It's odd though, you never hear the white community castigated for white on white crime. I wonder why?

Also, does anyone here think that a board almost entirely populated by middle to upper class white men might have a bit of a blind spot as to the causes and effects of racism?

 

[HomerJS]

Part of the hypocrisy of #BlackLivesMatter was it was born out of the Ferguson incident, which begged the question of whether the life of the minority store owner whom Brown robbed mattered. It was also highly tied to the "Hands up, don't shoot!" mantra which as we have come to understand was a complete falsehood.

It's also insulting because it's projecting the image that the U.S. is a country where we do not value black lives. I personally disagree. What we need to be doing is finding things we agree on and build from there. Not pushing wedges that divide us further. But that's just my racist opinion

Black lives are not valued as much as white lives in this country.

but this is Murica so just shut and stop complainin'

 

[PokerGuy]

Black lives are not valued as much as white lives in this country.

Says who? Value by whom? How exactly do you measure this?

 

[PokerGuy]

I give time credit for knowing their idiot audience well.

Another example of why racism just won't go away. Instead of becoming less of a factor over time, now we have to view everything through the lens of race.

Crime committed - What race was the victim, what race was the perp? Kid in trouble in school - What race was the kid, what race was the teacher? Someone said something offensive - what was the race of the person making comments? .... and on and on and on. It's like it's not OK anymore to look at the issue itself, you have to first put on your race lenses, and then you can come to a conclusion. Completely stupid IMO.

 

[Brainonska511]

I give time credit for knowing their idiot audience well.

Another example of why racism just won't go away. Instead of becoming less of a factor over time, now we have to view everything through the lens of race.

Crime committed - What race was the victim, what race was the perp? Kid in trouble in school - What race was the kid, what race was the teacher? Someone said something offensive - what was the race of the person making comments? .... and on and on and on. It's like it's not OK anymore to look at the issue itself, you have to first put on your race lenses, and then you can come to a conclusion. Completely stupid IMO.

And when we stop viewing stuff through our own perspectives (which includes race), we'll then have unicorns and rainbows spread forth from our butts.

People aren't just going to flip a switch and stop viewing the world the way their viewing it because PokerGuy on the internet said it was "completely stupid." There is the force of history and the force of the present behind why people view these issues the way they do. There is the disparate use of policing against minorities in a way that just doesn't happen against white people. And then there are still the remnants of historical, legalized discrimination that rings through to the present, in the forms of community segregation, community wealth (or lack of it), and continuing discrimination.

 

[fskimospy]

And when we stop viewing stuff through our own perspectives (which includes race), we'll then have unicorns and rainbows spread forth from our butts.

People aren't just going to flip a switch and stop viewing the world the way their viewing it because PokerGuy on the internet said it was "completely stupid." There is the force of history and the force of the present behind why people view these issues the way they do. There is the disparate use of policing against minorities in a way that just doesn't happen against white people. And then there are still the remnants of historical, legalized discrimination that rings through to the present, in the forms of community segregation, community wealth (or lack of it), and continuing discrimination.

It's very easy for people whose lives are not negatively affected by their race to say that we shouldn't take race into account.

 

[Knowing]

And when we stop viewing stuff through our own perspectives (which includes race), we'll then have unicorns and rainbows spread forth from our butts.

People aren't just going to flip a switch and stop viewing the world the way their viewing it because PokerGuy on the internet said it was "completely stupid."

"No one's going to change everyone go home" is a poor attitude that has never been particularly persuasive - particularly when the subject is racism.

Use of force in policing and it's impact on individual rights is a topic that doesn't need a racial aspect. The police should simply stop killing people [full stop].

 

[TechBoyJK]

It will definitely be controversial.
I think all people agree this particular case was murder.
The other recent cases are debatable.

Not the Wilson case. Only debatable if you're holding on to the false narrative. It's pretty clear otherwise.

This cop however, fuck him. What a pos.

 

[PokerGuy]

And when we stop viewing stuff through our own perspectives (which includes race), we'll then have unicorns and rainbows spread forth from our butts.

Of course we all see things through our own lens based our environment and experiences. Nothing wrong with that. That's neither good or bad, it's just a fact.

There is the disparate use of policing against minorities in a way that just doesn't happen against white people. And then there are still the remnants of historical, legalized discrimination that rings through to the present, in the forms of community segregation, community wealth (or lack of it), and continuing discrimination.

I don't disagree with you on any of that, but it doesn't change the fact that as a collective society we should be looking at things more objectively rather than through a lens based on assumptions / stereotypes related to race. The more we push this notion of everything being through a perspective based on race, the less chance we have of ever having race become less of a factor in society.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's very easy for people whose lives are not negatively affected by their race to say that we shouldn't take race into account.

Oh, but of course, the old "you can't have a valid opinion because you aren't <insert group here>" argument... very persuasive. That's BS, and the funny thing is that you don't even know my race.

 

[HomerJS]

Says who? Value by whom? How exactly do you measure this?

One piece of evidence treatment of blacks vs whites in all area of the criminal justice system

 

[Greenman]

Great marketing on Times part. A cover guaranteed to cause controversy and anger will generate a huge amount of free advertising and sales.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh, but of course, the old "you can't have a valid opinion because you aren't <insert group here>" argument... very persuasive. That's BS, and the funny thing is that you don't even know my race.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say you couldn't have a valid opinion, I was just pointing out how easy it is for people who are unaffected personally by something to dismiss it. You see it all the time in this and other things.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Did you guys know that in more than 90% of cases where a white person is killed they are killed by another white person?

That is seriously the dumbest stat.

Source?

Also, saying 90% of cases where a white person kills is another white person has an explanation....

WHITE PEOPLE ACCOUNT FOR OVER 72% OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRIES POPULATION.


Blacks account for a mere 13% of the entire country.

One of those statements sounds SEMI understanding. The other one does not.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Did you guys know that in more than 90% of cases where a white person is killed they are killed by another white person?

That is seriously the dumbest stat.

The reason why people are killed by members of their own race so everwhelmingly often is because we usually kill the people we know, and the U.S. is super segregated. It's odd though, you never hear the white community castigated for white on white crime. I wonder why?

Also, does anyone here think that a board almost entirely populated by middle to upper class white men might have a bit of a blind spot as to the causes and effects of racism?

Well, I know that you have a blind spot as to the causes of murder.

Yes, for white men of similar age groups who are victims of homicide another white man is a perp 85% of the time. That's somewhat in the same ballpark as the 96%.

HOWEVER, and try to follow along here, this might be difficult for someone like you to understand, HOWEVER, for men ages 15-25 homicide accounts for HALF, yes HALF of the premature deaths for black men while it's considerably under 10% for white men of the same age group. So which group is doing the most killing? And more importantly, while the black community is outraged over white cops killing black men (and justifiably so) why are they not outraged over black men killing black men? Why is "black lives matter" only a thing in the tiny percentage of homicides when the killer is white? Where are Sharpton and Jackson and the riots and the protests when a black man is killed by a black man? If black lives matter, why do they matter 4% of the time and not the other 96%? Take your time and tell me how the "dumbest stat" accounts for that disparity.

 

[PokerGuy]

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say you couldn't have a valid opinion, I was just pointing out how easy it is for people who are unaffected personally by something to dismiss it. You see it all the time in this and other things.

First, you're making an assumption about me and whether I've been personally affected by something or not

You know what they say about assumptions....

Maybe it is easier for someone to dismiss something if they are not personally affected by it, but that doesn't mean they are not correct. One could argue that people not personally impacted by something could be more objective in their perspective, but that someone who had not experienced something might not understand it as well as someone who has.