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Time is not infinite.

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Bv3

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Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.

EDIT: I'm not saying this is absolute truth. I realize these truths are unknowable to the human mind. But it's still fun to think about.
 
Posted this in 2 other threads tonight. But:

It's funny how these threads:
"Topic Title: Since the unverse is expanding, there is no such thing as infinity"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642777&enterthread=y
"Topic Title: Time is not infinite."
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642790&enterthread=y

Spewed from my original thread:
"Topic Title: The concept of Infinity.... no beginning nor no end"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642760&enterthread=y

All are parodies of my thread. My thread is a parody of a thread talking about a parody of a parody OF a parody (no kidding)!
"Topic Title: Parody: Parody: Is Anandtech down?"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1642539

Heh. ATOT Pwns all.
 
Time is relative to the concept it is addressing because it explains the prolonging of existance and can jsut as easily be used to subdivide it.
 
Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.
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Sounds good, but no one knows if what you are saying is true or not. No one can even define precisely what time is.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.
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Sounds good, but no one knows if what you are saying is true or not. No one can even define precisely what time is.
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I sure as hell know that you are wasting mine...😛
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.
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Sounds good, but no one knows if what you are saying is true or not. No one can even define precisely what time is.
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I sure as hell know that you are wasting mine...😛
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You have just been mooned 😛
 
Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.
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I like the "therefore..." LOL

As if the first statement is quintessential truth. IT is just some astrophysicist, philosopher prick masturbating on paper.

You might as well say: "I like waffles...therefore, captian Spock is president of the USA."
 
Originally posted by: Bv3
Originally posted by: TWills
^^^forgot to post in "Highly Technical" instead of "I'm just waisting brain cells tonight" 😉
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Sorry, I hope this can make it up to you: PIC
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Hmmm.. I'm wouldn't say I'm dissapointed that I read this thread.. but I would like to see the girls eating the corndog at the same time, like in that dog movie.
 
Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.
Click to expand...

I like the "therefore..." LOL

As if the first statement is quintessential truth. IT is just some astrophysicist, philosopher prick masturbating on paper.

You might as well say: "I like waffles...therefore, captian Spock is president of the USA."
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Instead of hurling insults, please tell me your views on this subject.
 
Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.
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From the premise that space-time is a continuum, we can deduce that literally every real space-time interval is infinite. More generally, it becomes apparent that quantization of space-time intervals is arbitrary and therefore objectively meaningless. It is debatable whether or not space-time is continuous, however. The Planck length was thought for a long time to be the smallest space-time interval, but some recent observations of distant galaxies by the Hubble telescope all but falsified that notion.

More to the point, the Cosmological Argument is defunct for many reasons, regardless of whether or not time is finite or infinite.

-Garth

 
Time is a merely a concept created by man to organize our current understanding of the universe.

And unfortutanely, this thread is trying to expand our fabricated concepts into definate truths.
 
Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.
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mostly correct, i believe. However, the universe does require a cause... the cause being Sunyata, the profound emptiness pregnant with possibilities. Our universe exists encapsulated in time, all other possibilites forgotten. There can be only one.

It's always over but it never ends.
 
Interesting thoughts on time.

The thought of time not existing is an intersting one and interacts interestingly with some theological problems for the Christian. If, indeed, time only exists with physical existence, then when this existence ends, there is no time. Things do not progress. Therefore, the normal concept of something like infinity of being with God in heaven is an understanding of an undefinable truth - we will be souls in a timeless union with God. Time will not progress, or will it? Will souls be limited by time? Will things move forward? If there is no time, can there be experience, for the very idea of experience rests on the progression of time. How can we spiritually "be" if there is no "now" or "then"?

 
Err... people, you must remember, these are all unsubstainiated theories about the universe. Nothing is known or set in stone. It's all highly educated guesswork.

Think about the theory of universe expansion. It could just be that there is a bigger gravitational force outside our view that is pulling those objects we see moving away faster. It would be just that we are in huge galatic eddy and things swirl around and we are on a slower moving spot then the rest of the universe that we can PERCEIVE.

We have no idea how big, if there is really a limit to the size, the universe is. The universe could be infinit or finite. We don't know. The human mind can not truly understand either. Finite means that there is a boundary somewhere. But we as humans always want to know what is on the other side of a boundary, cause while we can rationalize boundaries, we always try to overcome those even with theoretical thinking. If there is no boundary, well, that can't even be grasped by the human mind either. Why? our minds have boundaries and finite thinking built in. While we can use the word infinite, we can't even begin to imagine that state.


So all this crap, is a bunch of bullsh~t
 
current theory is that Universe will continue to expand forever creating a dark and lonely universe where time has no meaning.
 
Originally posted by: Bv3
"when" the universe was created
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When was that?

Edit: the whole idea of the beginning of time, whether you look at it from a religious or scientific perspective, makes my head hurt.
 
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