Time for a new build, need help

HarvardAce

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OK, so I used to pay close attention to all the new CPUs and chipsets and motherboards and the like, but I just don't have the time to keep up with everything.

Anyway, it's been a few years since I last built a PC, and I need a lot of help building my next one. To answer the standard questions:

1. PC used for: Gaming. I'll be doing work on it, too, but I wouldn't need help building a PC to run office. I am only recently getting into the newer games that can stress a PC, but I'm looking for something on the higher end (but still in/close to the sweet spot for price vs. performance).
2. Budget: $1200-$1500. I'd prefer to stay on the lower end of that budget if possible, but if the $300 is going to make a big enough difference, then I'd be willing to spend it. If the sweet spot is more toward the $1000 range, then I don't have to spend $1200 either.
3. Country: USA (state is CT if that makes a difference for tax purposes, but 99% of the sites I shop don't have a presence there for tax purposes).
4. Brand preference: None. I used to be loyal to AMD and nVidia, if everything else was equal, but that was before they were direct competitors and about 5 generations ago.
5. Current parts: Anything in my current case is staying with the old computer when I donate it to my parents. I'll be keeping my input devices (logitech gaming mouse, G15 keyboard), speakers (Logitech 5500s) and monitor (dell 2405, I think, anyway it's a 24" 1920x1200).
6. I have searched and read similar threads. I'm sure I'm not unique, but I wasn't able to find anyone who really was starting from complete scratch like I am in the last few weeks (since the new DX11 cards hit).
7. I've never overclocked before, but I'd be willing to give it a go this time, but nothing too extreme -- and I don't want to have fan noise drowning out everything else in the room.
8. Resolution: 1920x1200. Don't see myself getting a bigger monitor during the life of this computer, nor would I be going to 2 or 3 monitors either.
9. When do I plan to build it? This will be a Win7 build, so I guess sometime on or after 10/22, but not much after that. I *will* need a Win7 license, and ideally that would be included in the above budget.

Something similar to the Intel/AMD Performance Midrange PC guide released 3 months ago (but updated to current movements in the PC world) is what I'm probably targeting. Whether that means an i7 system or an AMD system, etc. is really open for discussion and I'll gladly listen to any suggestions that all of you have. I would like a DX11 card, and whether that's the 5870 or 5850 is open for suggestion.

Thanks in advance!
 
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I would begin to think that the 5870 will be the better card for that size monitor.

Start with a good PSU - one that doesn't have alot of electrical noise, or ripple. It's the heart of a good system. I go to Jonny Guru for reviews. The SeaSonic looks like an OUT-standing PSU. The 12v rail's max is 54a fyi.

The average cost of an Intel 1366 platform build can run about 500-600$

if you have a MicroCenter near by, you can save a hell of alot by purchasing your CPU there. I got my i7 920 for 215$ after tax. These kinds of prices also go for some of the other CPUs. I also picked up 2 Q9550 775lga socket Quads for 159$ a piece... I think the 1156 chips are also cheap there....

An 1156 platform will be a litte more cheaper but not much.. unless someone can give you a mobo, cpu, ram build quote..

A 775lga (end of the line socket) will be on average with an AMD mobo, cpu, ram platform.

If you go with a 1156 or 1366 platform any 1333 1.5-1.6v CL6 or CL7 ram will suit you fine.

When you want to overclock, this little Nehalem Calculator will help you with your Overclocking.
 

philosofool

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For your purposes, $1200 sounds like it's going to go a long, long way.
Here's my basic gaming build for people with $1200:
Intel i7 860: $300
P55 mobo from Gigabyte or Asus: $110-200 (Gigabyte's P55M UD2 is a micro ATX that gets raves from Anand and is just $110. Unless you need a full ATX board or the cross fire option, it is probably great.)
RAM: DDR3 1333MHz, 4GB $80, any that gets good reviews
PSU: Corsair is great, 600W is huge even for CF. Way too many gamers have false ideas about how many watts they need. $100
Video Card: ATI HD 5870, $380
That's $970 if you go with the inexpensive but high performing P55 UD2. You still need a case ($50-100), an OEM Win 7 64 bit($100-$120), and a drive ($60-100.)
As far as a drive goes, SSDs are the thing, but they're also very expensive right now. I think the best bang/$ comes in at 640GB HDDs right now.

If you want to lower costs from that rig, the Core i5 750 is going to get you very near the i7 860 in anything that isn't very well multi-threaded. Only a handful of games currently benefit from 8 logical cores, and the difference is mostly academic. (Your monitor refreshes at 60 Hz, so anything hitting over 60 fps is the same as anything else hitting over 60. Reaching 60 in the first place depends a lot more on your GPU than your CPU.) That GPU is also very expensive; an HD 4890 1GB will save you almost $200 and offer excellent performance. One very reasonable choice right now would be to get a CF ready board (add $30) and an HD 5850 ($260), which saves you $90 and gives you the future option of a crossfire rig when you need more graphics power; by that time, it's going to be a lot cheaper to add a second 5850.
 

philosofool

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BTW, if you decide you want to go the 5850 route in CF, I would recommend a 650W PSU from Corsair, which right now is $80 if you count the mail in rebate. The 5850 demands a shocking 550W at benchmark load, which is sure to be greater than ordinary gaming load, but giving yourself 100W overhead isn't a bad idea. It will stay cooler and quieter, which if you ask me is virtue number two in a PSU (number one being that it actually provides the advertised power.)
 

HarvardAce

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i7 860 over the i7 920? 1156 socket and dual-channel over 1366? Still trying to figure out where things are at, but the i7 920 prices seem to be at or lower than the 860's, although it seems that the MB is a bit more expensive. I've looked at some reviews and the performance numbers between the two seem to be all over the place depending on the review site and the benchmark.
 

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Originally posted by: philosofool
I think the best bang/$ comes in at 640GB HDDs right now.
Two-platter terabyte drives are incredibly cheap now, and faster (thanks to density).
 

HarvardAce

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OK, so this is what I'm looking at so far:

Intel Core i7-860: $290
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2: $110
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2x 2GB) (7-7-7-24 @ DDR3 1600): $75 (including $20 off bundle with the motherboard)
Samsung 22x DVD+/-R OEM: $30
Antec Nine Hundred: $100
Corsair CMPSU-650TX: $100 (plus $20 MIR)
Win 7 Home Premium OEM: $100

That still leaves:

ATI HD 5870 (newegg and ZZF are completely out of stock): $380
Hard Drive: Probably want to go with 2-platter 1TB drive, any suggestions?
CPU Heatsink/Fan: Never purchased an after-market one, so I really don't know what to get here.

So, could use suggestions on the hard drive and CPU cooler, and if anything else looks bad or could use upgrading, let me know.

Total of the stuff in stock is $805 (-$20 MIR).

With the video card, hard drive, and cooler I figure that's another $500-525, so I'm looking at about $1300.

 

HarvardAce

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Read some more reviews and looked at more benchmarks, and the 10% or so performance increase on the 5870 over the 5850 is probably not worth the $100 to me, especially since I'll only be in 1920x1200. I also like the fact that the 5850 runs cooler, so I think that's the way I'm going to go there. I don't think CF is really something in my future, so the 5850 with the UD2 motherboard should still work.

Edit:

OK, did some more price analysis and stuff, and I think I convinced myself in getting a SSD.

Current specs:

Intel Core i7-860: $290
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2: $110
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2x 2GB) (7-7-7-24 @ DDR3 1600): $75 (including $20 off bundle with the motherboard)
Samsung 22x DVD+/-R OEM: $30
Intel X25-M 80GB SSD: $290 (plus $30 MIR)
Thermaltake Element S Case: $30 (including $90 off bundle with the drive)
Corsair CMPSU-650TX: $100 (plus $20 MIR)
Win 7 Home Premium OEM: $100

That leaves an HD 5850 card for about $260 if they ever get back in stock, and then a 1TB drive. Both the WD Caviar Black and the Samsung Spinpoint F3 are out of stock as well, and go for around $90.

Total: $1,375

Still need a recommendation on the CPU cooler.
 
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From what I've heard, you can get close to 5870 performance out of a 5850 by overclocking the card in the CCC panel.
 

philosofool

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Originally posted by: HarvardAce
Still need a recommendation on the CPU cooler.

If you're not overclocking, this isn't really necessary. The stock fan can be a little loud when it really gets going, but it will keep the processor plenty cool, and it won't actually run hard except in a few situations. It's totally bearable up to 50% of it's maximum speed and the gigabyte software included with the board allow you to control it very well. During normal operation, my fan spins at the minimum necessary speed and doesn't hit 50% until the CPU reaches 55 degree C, which is about as hot as it gets in gaming situations. Anyway, you might consider seeing what you think of the stock fan before you go out and order a $30-50 dollar after market one.
 
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Originally posted by: HarvardAce
I do plan to overclock. Nothing major, but I'd hope to get to at least 3GHz.

Does anyone else think the stock cooler will be good for 3Ghz? I think that the CPU turbos above 3Ghz... mabye 3.4.. not sure so, the stock cooler will be good to start off with...