Tim Robbins Stands Tall On Free Speech, Unsure On Freedom Of Press!

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce I think he was talking about the "Mr. Apologists" part, not sure though.

Yup, but being as scholarly as they are, they would have figured that out eventually.[/quote]

Should I consider the 60,000,000 number settled as being a bit more than a "random number"?

I will concede that I was wrong on that spelling error that would have erroneously indicated you were multiple persons.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
God Damn Elitist Liberal Press

uhhh, notice how this wasn't a CNN, MSNBC, A/P or Reuters reporter, it was the Washington Post. I still say that media has a very liberal left leaning.

The Washington Post has always been leaning towards the left.

It leans to the conservative right as does most of the press.

Flavio, No way. I've lived in the D.C area for 17 years. The Washington Post has always leaned towards the left. The Washington Times is a more conservative newspaper.

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: friedpie
I wonder if he threatened Sarandon's mother the same way he threatened the reporter who merely wrote what Sarandon's mother TOLD him?

He talks about free speech. I wonder what he means because for the most part he has been able to say whatever the hell he wants to say. Does he consider the Cooperstown thing to be an effort denying him free speech? If so then he must have planned on giving more anti-war/anti-Bush speeches at that event. Maybe he should sue Petrosky for denying him his free speech, or can you only sue the government for that?

I don't know about that.

I do think that he handled it worse than Mel Gibson did when that New York times reporter did the same thing with Gibson's father, who by the way is a total nut case.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Media Bias Basics

• Evidence of how hard journalists lean to the left was provided by S. Robert Lichter , then with George Washington University, in his groundbreaking 1980 survey of the media elite. Lichter's findings were authoritatively confirmed by the American Association of Newspaper Editors (ASNE) in 1988 and 1997 surveys. The most recent ASNE study surveyed 1,037 newspaper reporters found 61 percent identified themselves as/leaning "liberal/Democratic" compared to only 15 percent who identified themselves as/leaning "conservative/Republican."

RatherBiased.com


Fight The Bias

• now a veteran CBS reporter has come forward to expose how liberal bias pervades the mainstream media. Even if you've suspected your nightly news is slanted to the left, it's far worse than you think.

Wow, the typical conservative gripe with the media. So the reporters themselves identify themselves with the dems. So? What about the editors and owners of these papers? Who do you think has more influence on a paper's bias? The reporters or the owners and editors? If the media is so liberal, why did more newspapers endorse Bush over Gore? Why did every single one of Rupert Murdoch's newpapers just happen to support Bush's war against Iraq?
There is alot more that goes into media bias than the politcal leanings of reporters.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: MachFive


Jeez. I think that Robbins needs to ask himself, "What would Ghandi do?" Maybe that might help him. If he's really sincere about being a non-violent person and all.

he is peaceful, just like Sean Penn and his missing guns.

Yeah, I read about that in a local free weekly today (which, ironically, is incredibly liberally biased. That's besides the point though.)

Sean Penn is the kind of guy who would speak out against the very concealed carry laws that have halved crime rates in those places which they've been instated, but isn't willing to give up his own guns to follow through on his vowel movements. Sorta like how every member of the directors of Handgun Control, Inc has a concealed carry permit or personal bodyguards. They take every step to ensure their personal safety, but would deny that right to the average law-abiding citizen.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Has anybody seen his most recent comparison of The United States and The Soviet Union?

When we exterminate 60,000,000 of our own people, he can give me a call.

60,000,000? A nice random number.

Not at all Mr. Apologists that is trying to look smart for the high school crowd.

The sixty million number is a CONSERVATIVE number.
Here is a link.

61,911,000 Victims

If your scholarly research exceeds this, I would love to see your work.

Wow, nice personal attack. Also I like your source, Hawaii.edu? I'm not disputing the brutality and destructivness of the communist Russian regime, just the number you threw out. And I'm glad I am multiple people: Mr. Apologists, but I guess that would make me more effective in looking smart for the high school crowd.

So a personal attack is now defined and giving someone facts that they asked for?

I think he was talking about the "Mr. Apologists" part, not sure though.

Yup, but being as scholarly as they are, they would have figured that out eventually.

Nice.....you really don't want to get into a who is more scholarly debate with me

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Tiles2TechFlavio, No way. I've lived in the D.C area for 17 years. The Washington Post has always leaned towards the left.

The last republican the Washington Post endorsed for president was Dwight D. Eisenhower.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: Ornery
Media Bias Basics

• Evidence of how hard journalists lean to the left was provided by S. Robert Lichter , then with George Washington University, in his groundbreaking 1980 survey of the media elite. Lichter's findings were authoritatively confirmed by the American Association of Newspaper Editors (ASNE) in 1988 and 1997 surveys. The most recent ASNE study surveyed 1,037 newspaper reporters found 61 percent identified themselves as/leaning "liberal/Democratic" compared to only 15 percent who identified themselves as/leaning "conservative/Republican."

RatherBiased.com


Fight The Bias

• now a veteran CBS reporter has come forward to expose how liberal bias pervades the mainstream media. Even if you've suspected your nightly news is slanted to the left, it's far worse than you think.

Wow, the typical conservative gripe with the media. So the reporters themselves identify themselves with the dems. So? What about the editors and owners of these papers? Who do you think has more influence on a paper's bias? The reporters or the owners and editors? If the media is so liberal, why did more newspapers endorse Bush over Gore? Why did every single one of Rupert Murdoch's newpapers just happen to support Bush's war against Iraq?
There is alot more that goes into media bias than the politcal leanings of reporters.

Instead of talking about numbers of papers endorsing Bush over Gore (and that count probably includes local papers), why don't you talk about the market share of the definitely liberal media outlets? The New York Times, the LA Times, the Washington Post, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (add more here) -- how much readership is there? Compare to the Washington Times and perhaps the Wall Street Journal which has a fairly conservative editorial staff. Then compare CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS to Fox. While Fox, even if it is conservative, outdistances CNN on a daily basis, the evening news programs of the "big three" easily surpass any other news program by a longshot (the total ratings for those three numbers somewhere near 30 million).

Also, since when did people become editors without first being reporters?

 

[Ferocious]

I still have never gotten an answer to a question I've been asking for years.

Why are conservatives so obsessed with what celebs think???

I mean since no one else really cares.

 

[dudleydocker]

Why are conservatives so obsessed with what celebs think???

Good point. WTF cares?! Some "silent majority"? I used to pretty much not care what the politics of actors, musicians, etc. were. Now I recoil against the Tim Robbins/Susan Sarandon and their ilk when I see/hear them. I remember their whining and babbling. Does it affect my purchases of music, attendance at concerts and movies? It will now. Hit 'em where it hurts, in their wallet.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dudleydocker

Why are conservatives so obsessed with what celebs think???

Good point. WTF cares?! Some "silent majority"? I used to pretty much not care what the politics of actors, musicians, etc. were. Now I recoil against the Tim Robbins/Susan Sarandon and their ilk when I see/hear them. I remember their whining and babbling. Does it affect my purchases of music, attendance at concerts and movies? It will now. Hit 'em where it hurts, in their wallet.

You bet. I'm going to bycott each and every person or entity that has a different viepoint than me. How dare them!

 

[Tiger]

Why are conservatives so obsessed with what celebs think???

Probably has something to do with the disproportionality of the weight applied to their opinions.
If Joe Blow actor spouts off about various and sundry policies or persons their opinion is taken as gospel.
Usually proven later they don't know what the hell they're spouting off about.

The fact that 95% of them spout hate and venom toward conservatives and conservative ideas probably has a lot to do with it too.
I assume Robbin's "Chill Wind" comment was a not so skillfully done back handed reference to black listing. The reaction to his comments isn't coming from the government or potential employers. It's coming from private citizens and companies who choose not to associate with or support him and his cause. Nobody is trying to shut him up. They've just chosen to ignore him.

If your livelyhood depends almost entirely on the good will and discretionary spending of a certain segment of the population, it would behoove you to learn not to piss them off.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dudleydocker

Why are conservatives so obsessed with what celebs think???

Good point. WTF cares?! Some "silent majority"? I used to pretty much not care what the politics of actors, musicians, etc. were. Now I recoil against the Tim Robbins/Susan Sarandon and their ilk when I see/hear them. I remember their whining and babbling. Does it affect my purchases of music, attendance at concerts and movies? It will now. Hit 'em where it hurts, in their wallet.

You bet. I'm going to bycott each and every person or entity that has a different viepoint than me. How dare them!

You certainly have a right too. Just as they have a right to say what they say.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: dudleydocker

Why are conservatives so obsessed with what celebs think???

Good point. WTF cares?! Some "silent majority"? I used to pretty much not care what the politics of actors, musicians, etc. were. Now I recoil against the Tim Robbins/Susan Sarandon and their ilk when I see/hear them. I remember their whining and babbling. Does it affect my purchases of music, attendance at concerts and movies? It will now. Hit 'em where it hurts, in their wallet.

You bet. I'm going to bycott each and every person or entity that has a different viepoint than me. How dare them!

I agree with you all. They should just shut up and look pretty. Nobody wants to know what the thoughts inside of their heads are, particularly if it's not the same thoughts I have. I'll teach them to stay in role.

 

[Mrburns2007]

I personally think it's BS, the anti-war crowd has been covered extensively on both local news and network news.


They just find it hard to believe that 7 out of 10 people support the war effort and disagree with them.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I personally think it's BS, the anti-war crowd has been covered extensively on both local news and network news.

They just find it hard to believe that 7 out of 10 people support the war effort and disagree with them.

I don't mind them speaking out against the war. I just find it strange that they don't mind bombing anyone when we have a democrat in the White House. They are hypocrites and hide behind their peace figleaf when it's convenient.