Tile vs. Apple

[Perknose]

As with Amazon, Tile is complaining that Apple is using its market muscle to eclipse a smaller firm's offering. In this case, I tend to see both sides of the dispute. What say you?

 

[Commodus]

This is why Apple opened up Find My to other devices. In theory this heads off Tile's complaint by noting that third parties get similar access. And that makes Tile sound more like it's complaining about getting real competition than making a legitimate grievance.

 

[MrSquished]

This is why Apple opened up Find My to other devices. In theory this heads off Tile's complaint by noting that third parties get similar access. And that makes Tile sound more like it's complaining about getting real competition than making a legitimate grievance.

Tile does make a couple valid points in there actually.

Amazon has been accused of worse. Forcing producers/sellers of products on their platform to give them all sorts of info, so Amazon can basically replicate the product and sell it via it's Amazon Basics brand, or else kick them off the platform if they don't give it.

 

[manly]

As the article suggests, the tech behemoths exert massive influence on various markets and products. Which isn't illegal, the question is whether Apple or Google are abusing their monopoly powers. The problem for regulators is that tight integration tends to be desirable and helpful for consumers, so it's a tough case to make that we've been hurt by FAANG (this is essentially the old DoJ vs MSFT argument).

Not to make it sound like I'm taking Apple's side (I'm mostly out of their ecosystem), but Tile doesn't have some privileged right to item trackers and they've known for some time that AirTags was coming for them. It sucks when your entire business model is a rounding error to the other guys, but that's why you build up a wide moat while you still can, or look for an exit before it's too late (see FitBit).

IMHO, the reality is that just like Too Big to Fail banks, the tech giants aren't being chopped up by regulators unless one is flagrantly violating antitrust laws and that's always hard to prove in court.

As an aside, I opined over a decade ago in a forums post that the 30% cut for hosting mobile apps was rather excessive but most people didn't see it at the time. Obviously the economies of scale are way different now and to be fair, both Apple/Google and developers have benefited tremendously from the smartphone app economy.

 

[ElFenix]

apple's rent seeking makes comcast blush.

 

[Moonbeam]

I used Tile for a while but gave it up after a year. Thinking of using the new Apple AirTag to keep track of my new car keys. The apple devise is very accurate as to location whereas carrying my car around to within 25 feet of the keys when the doors will unlock automatically is proving to be a pain in the back. The thing that I like about Apple is I can be as stupid as I am and still usually make their stuff work.

I am baffled however because the time and all notifications have disappeared from the opening screen on my iphone and I don't know how to fix it.

 

[Perknose]

I am baffled however because the time and all notifications have disappeared from the opening screen on my iphone and I don't know how to fix it.

'Tis your mirror, Moonie, making itself clear, coming to the fore, all extraneous concerns such as time falling away. Look closely, keenly and hard, Mr. M. Forgo all updates. And do not ask for whom the phone rings, it rings for you.

 

[Moonbeam]

'Tis your mirror, Moonie, making itself clear, coming to the fore, all extraneous concerns such as time falling away. Look closely, keenly and hard, Mr. M. Forgo all updates. And do not ask for whom the phone rings, it rings for you.

Alas, a bell went off in my sluggish brain when I finished my post above here. The realization dawned that what I don’t know might be known to somebody else. So I went on the web and described my plight, admittedly in round about and uncertain terms. Then low and behold some words appeared regarding some mambo jumbo in settings. So, fumbling about and pushing this and that function or whatever they are, I can now turn on my phone and know what time it is.

But fear not, with the atomic clocks that tell us the time these days, I have little doubt that no matter what appears it is still actually the now.

As an insignificant nobody however, I will have to exercise patience to see if anyone intending to notifying me of anything will also appear
there. Perhaps some demand for payment....

 

[sportage]

Just take Ginkgo supplement every day and you won't forget shit like where you left your keys, left your wallet, left your purse, or left your kid.

 

[Perknose]

I can now turn on my phone and know what time it is.

Oh, MoonMan . . . "Does anybody really know what time it is?"

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh, MoonMan . . . "Does anybody really know what time it is?"

I have heard we know not the day or the hour....

Once Mulla Nasrudin went for a trip on a sailing ship and was caught in a massive storm at sea. Amid screams of terror and prayers for succor among passengers and crew alike, the Mulla was seen to calmly attend to his business. When the storm passed and folk returned to their normal state someone asked him if he were mad. “Didn’t you realize out there in that storm we were all but moments from death?” “ What I realized” said Nasrudin, “is that on land there is often less than a plank of wood separating us from death.”

What is time if not thought. Thought is language, words attached to feelings all learned in the past. What is fear but anticipation, thought-associations connected to bad experience. The ending of thought is the ending of fear, the entrance into the eternal, the eruption into consciousness of love and the joy of being. It is always there at the ground of our being, what is there only when the “ I”, the illusion of ego, is not.

I looked at my watch and it says, ‘two hairs past a freckle.’

Twas brillig and the slythy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.

Good on those who can’t imagine why anybody would care what a clock say.

And is not the perception of time dependent of the quantity of perceptions that occur such that time slows as awareness increases?

 

[Perknose]

I have heard we know not the day or the hour....

Once Mulla Nasrudin went for a trip on a sailing ship and was caught in a massive storm at sea. Amid screams of terror and prayers for succor among passengers and crew alike, the Mulla was seen to calmly attend to his business. When the storm passed and folk returned to their normal state someone asked him if he were mad. “Didn’t you realize out there in that storm we were all but moments from death?” “ What I realized” said Nasrudin, “is that on land there is often less than a plank of wood separating us from death.”

What is time if not thought. Thought is language, words attached to feelings all learned in the past. What is fear but anticipation, thought-associations connected to bad experience. The ending of thought is the ending of fear, the entrance into the eternal, the eruption into consciousness of love and the joy of being. It is always there at the ground of our being, what is there only when the “ I”, the illusion of ego, is not.

I looked at my watch and it says, ‘two hairs past a freckle.’

Twas brillig and the slythy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.

Good on those who can’t imagine why anybody would care what a clock say.

And is not the perception of time dependent of the quantity of perceptions that occur such that time slows as awareness increases?

^^^ Some people wouldn't have time for all this above, Moonster. Indeed, they wouldn't give you the time of day. Were I the mythical schoolmarm of all, I'd put a dunce cap on those people and send them to stand in the corner for a time out.

 

[Denly]

Can someone ELI5 on how Find My work? If an obj is out of my range it will connect to any IPxx in range and pin the location to me? Do they need my permitting to use my iPxx?

Apple(also Az and G) is pushing out competitions no question about it as it have been for more than a decade but they done it beautifully it make MS's 90 position like a child play.

As for this tag there will be millions of accessories pop up in no time, want to spy on your husband/wife? hide one in their bag. Track your company car? Same. But this does make a ultimate dog tag.

 

[Moonbeam]

Can someone ELI5 on how Find My work? If an obj is out of my range it will connect to any IPxx in range and pin the location to me? Do they need my permitting to use my iPxx?

Apple(also Az and G) is pushing out competitions no question about it as it have been for more than a decade but they done it beautifully it make MS's 90 position like a child play.

As for this tag there will be millions of accessories pop up in no time, want to spy on your husband/wife? hide one in their bag. Track your company car? Same. But this does make a ultimate dog tag.

My Dad use to tell me I’d lose my head were it not attached. I’m looking forward to a couple of those Airtagsused as Eartag-plugs to obviate that contingency should the usual safeguard fail. And as my head is rather important to me I’m not terribly worried that others will be able to help with the search.

 

[Perknose]

My Dad use to tell me I’d lose my head were it not attached. I’m looking forward to a couple of those Airtagsused as Eartag-plugs to obviate that contingency should the usual safeguard fail. And as my head is rather important to me I’m not terribly worried that others will be able to help with the search.

Crowd source it on Tinder. Folks there are always looking for head anyway.

 

[Moonbeam]

Crowd source it on Tinder. Folks there are always looking for head anyway.

Saving that for when I lose my mind.