Tiger MPs suck, or Why the hell do all kernels freeze except one?

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drag

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Could be different optimizations or different drivers, different ways the kernel utilitizies the cpu's to improve SMP performance...

I don't know, but it's worth checking out IMO. After all you've been banging your head against the wall and this would be a pitty if the PSU was the issue all the long.

Just pop the side off the computer, stick the probes into the leads of a spar power plug, if your lucky they will just sit in there by themselves and set the mutlimeter on the ground or table next to it and see if you notice anything over a half hour of putzing around with it.

PSU's have been a sore point for alot of people for the past couple years with manufacturers doing stuff like labling a power supply 250 watts when after testing it's obvious that it can only handle a 175 watts reliably for any length of time.

If it's intermitent and you can't identify anything in the software that occurs to trigger it, then it could be something as stupid as a inadquate PSU.

At 4.7 volts thats missing the mark by 6% of what a mainboard is designed to run off of, which is fairly marginal, but not horribe. Maybe when both CPU's click in, and the HD spools up to proccess something it has a voltage spike or drop takes that 5v rail down to 4.3v or something like that and the voltage to the cpu is fouled up enough to cause a lock-up. Who knows?

It's probably not the problem, but you could spend another couple months on it if you don't test for it and it realy is the problem. Don't realy know myself.

 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey


What all is in your system?

At the time:

Tyan Tiger MP
2- AMD 1800+ XPs
1- Radeon 9700 Video Card
1- WD 80GB IDE drive
1- Pioneer 16x DVD
1- TDK 40x12x48x CD-RW
1- Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
1- 3Com 3c905b NIC
Various USB devices
But I'll check it out sometime today. I just hate turning my machine off. :p I haven't gotten much done recently because of all of the rebooting :(

There's no time like the present! My connector turned golden brown, then brown, then black. You may want to do the mod anyway, since the failure rate of those boards is fairly high. Just check out 2cpu.com.

 

Barnaby W. Füi

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You win! :Q:Q:Q:Q:Q:Q:Q

I decided to open the thing up, and I *thought* I could spot some darkness inside the plug. I proceeded to have to get pliers just to get the damn atx plug off, and lo and behold, the corner power pin is all black and nasty with the plastic melted away. :Q

I probably wouldn't have figured this out nearly as early, if at all without your guys' help. Obviously my logic doesn't apply very well to hardware problems. :p

It seems that just moving the plug around while removing/reconnecting it did enough to make the system stable, for now. I can now boot up my old debian bf2.4.18 that I couldn't get to boot before. I'll have to try the others, but this seems to definitely be the culprit (then again, I just booted up, hopefully the power connector IS the problem :()
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Ok, shortly after I posted that, the monitor turned blank and the lights on the machine started blinking, not good. So today I took the motherboard out and did this to it and so far it's running OK again, but it's only been on for 5-10 minutes. HOPEFULLY these problems are behind me...

No lockups yet, been up for an hour and 9 minutes :cool:
 

drag

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that's pretty good fix. I doubt that the plug is going to be a problem anymore.... The only thing that could stop you now is the traces being burned off of the motherboard itself. :p
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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08:51:37 up 12:44, 6 users, load average: 0.29, 0.15, 0.05

:D

I even went further than that guy. I put a wire on all four 5v contacts, and put them in two pairs, each going to a seperate molex connector.
 

drag

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That sucks

What's your voltages?

Also make sure that your molex connector is the only one on the wire comming from the power supply. If it shares the wire with a harddrive you could get spikes and stuff from feedback and other weird crap.
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Bios says 4.8v for the 5v line. I have four wires going to the 5v pins, each in pairs going to two different molex connectors which are each on different sets of wires. Waaaay beyond adequate. I don't think I'm going to mess with it anymore. I'll just deal with it until I get around to replacing it.