Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: sunzt
So this what the Lama expects from "peaceful protests" huh? Tibetans are part of China and have been since the Qing dynasty. Many Chinese are fascinated by their art and culture and the claims of cultural genocide are ridiculous. So what if Han Chinese want to move in and start entrepreneurial ventures inside Tibet? Wealth, jobs, and modernization from Han migrants have significantly improved the standard of living of Tibetans from the days of them defecating and urinating on the streets. So what do Tibetans do to Han who improve the Tibetan province? They beat, they terrorize, they kill and they destroy their property! Worse of all, they blame it on the people who improved their standard of living the most. It's like having Hawaiians viciously attack other Americans and blaming them for destroying their culture!
These separatists are just using the western media further their own agendas and are ultimately hurting themselves and their relations with the Chinese people. The Chinese military needs to quell this separatist rioting and protect the stability of China, that's what they're for.
hey, mongolia has been part of china since yuan dynasty.... if it is so easy for chinese to give it up without a whimper... maybe tibet too...
"Being part of the empire" is a vastly different term than actually controlling it. In the case of Tibet, they had long period of autonomy. Interestingly enough - when Tibet was powerful they fvcked hard in Chinese affairs and vice versa...this is just a period where China is more powerful. The difference is that the Chinese are attempting to ensure this period of their dominance is permanent by literally making Tibetans a minority in their own capital.
Of course Mao was going to allow them to be a highly autonomous region much like the past, until some ethnic tibetans down in China (Although I suppose most places are "Downward" when compared to where Tibet is situated
) tried to ask for "help" from the motherland in resisting land reform. After that, the whole "hands off" policy was thrown out and you had massive PLA invasion.
Imo its really hard to ever have a clear answer with these things (politically where Tibet should be...I think things like torture of Tibetans clearly is sickening) should be. Tibet and XinJiang were never really "China" in the way China wants to make them appear to be...but the influence they exerted on the region (and vice versa) is undeniable. Whether or not these links translates into the right of direct rule by China, or Highly Autonomous region, or Indepedent nation with shared history and culture is the main question (Although I think its even less justified in the case of XinJiang as that is truly a "spoils" of the Manchu empire). But in order to make sure that these regions will be have the future the CCP wants, they flood them with tens of millions of Chinese.
No matter what though China is never going to leave those lands. They get too much water from Tibet, they get too much energy from the hydroelectic dams
https://eee.uci.edu/08w/28200/hydromap2.jpg <000 notice how almost all of them are in Tibet. They won't leave.
Note to china: flooding in tens of millions of immigrants, claiming you are pouring tens of billions of dollars in development when most of those jobs go to the immigrant han...ruthelessly repressing ANY kind of dissent (Even that which isn't calling for outright independence) is realllllly going to piss off a local population. In fact it pushes them toward independence even more. There is a reason why they don't just willingly jump to assimilate - because from their eyes it looks like you are trying to eradicate them.
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