Thumbprint now required to buy Ammunition in California

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: maluckey
So what's the big deal? Convicted felons cannot possess firearms in most states. Convicted Domestic Abusers cannot possess firearms in any state. Aliens cannot possess, use, sell, cause to be used, sold or transferered, or even hold a firearm in the United States of America or it's territories.

To ensure compliance with these laws meant to protect the general populace, safeguards are in place. I own several firearms, and didn't flinch at all when I had to give name, SSN, address, and copy of my drivers license before buying.

I suppose we should go to the "honor" system, and anyone that says they are able to legally buy a gun must be O.K.? RIIIIGGGHHHT!!!!!!!!!!

Dream on!

These same people against background checks are likely the first to scream foul when a convicted murderer kills their family with the gun he bought after leaving prison, or when a foreign terrorist kills their mom with a handgun he legally bought at "Gun World".

Are you paying attention? Of course not.

If you live in California even though you have given your name, SSN, address, and copy of your drivers license before buying and waited the mandatory waiting period for a background check the State will still come to your door and confiscate your "legal" guns.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet

Oh great - it's the old "Guns don't kill people - people kill people argument." Put the criminals away that use guns and everything will be fine.

Then I am suposed to argue that in Japan and England where guns are illegal the muder rate is much lower. And then also state that having a gun in the home dramaticaly increase the chances of someone living in that home getting shot, compared to someone without a gun in thier home.

Same old aruements - with the same stats - I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. I didn't grow-up with guns, and see no need for them.

I've read that the crime rates in England have skyrocketed since the banning of guns. If I find the articles, I will post them.

No citizens in the U.K. are allowed to own a gun???

Crap are they ripe for the picking or what :shocked:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: onelove

guns are [good/bad/inevitable]. guns should be [banned/required]. the 2nd amendment is [sacred/misinterpreted/outdated/irrelevant]. If this were another country things would be different.

this thread has been hijacked way beyond what dave was posting on. but by all means, continue the discussion.

In the meantime, if anybody has an opinion about the fingerprint ID or seizures of firearms which were the (quite interesting) subjects of the post, wake me up. peace!

Seems pretty on target (pun intended) to me. California is now apparently the same as the U.K. in that only criminals, Police and the Military have guns.

I wouldn't want to be in California or the U.K. as an ordinary citizen, you have no right to protect yourself.

 

[glenn1]

If you live in California even though you have given your name, SSN, address, and copy of your drivers license before buying and waited the mandatory waiting period for a background check the State will still come to your door and confiscate your "legal" guns.

Good, things are unfolding exactly as planned. One step closer being able to walk into the blue states at leisure with no opposition and round up all their zombie-like population to work as unpaid slaves in our red state WalMarts.

 

[onelove]

Originally posted by: glenn1

If you live in California even though you have given your name, SSN, address, and copy of your drivers license before buying and waited the mandatory waiting period for a background check the State will still come to your door and confiscate your "legal" guns.

Good, things are unfolding exactly as planned. One step closer being able to walk into the blue states at leisure with no opposition and round up all their zombie-like population to work as unpaid slaves in our red state WalMarts.

LoL - good one glenn - watchit though, some of us are conscientious objectors! (and equally desperate to avoid becoming walmart slaves!).

 

[Fencer128]

Seems pretty on target (pun intended) to me. California is now apparently the same as the U.K. in that only criminals, Police and the Military have guns.

I wouldn't want to be in California or the U.K. as an ordinary citizen, you have no right to protect yourself.

Hi,

If you had ever lived in the UK for any amount of time (instead of the US for instance) you would not feel the need to carry a gun for self defence in the UK. I can't say I would feel the same in the US though.

Andy

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Seems pretty on target (pun intended) to me. California is now apparently the same as the U.K. in that only criminals, Police and the Military have guns.

I wouldn't want to be in California or the U.K. as an ordinary citizen, you have no right to protect yourself.

Hi,

If you had ever lived in the UK for any amount of time (instead of the US for instance) you would not feel the need to carry a gun for self defence in the UK. I can't say I would feel the same in the US though.

Andy

Wow, The U.K. is Utopia. No criminals whatsoever? That's hard to imagine.

Not to pick on any one particular race but currently locally here we have a wave of nearly every night a band of one race has been conducting home invasion burgularlies and raping women if any are in the home at the time. This has been going on for months and the police are having no chance at stemming this because even after they announced they arrested a half a dozen they felt were responsible for this "wave" the number of invasions has gone up.

This is just their MO and there is just simply too many of them.

My wife just said this morning after I told her if we lived in California or the U.K. we would not be allowed to have a gun for protection against these home invasions.

So apparently such scenarios are not possible in the U.K. huh? Looks like we should move to England?

 

[maluckey]

Sensational as ever I see!!

Are you paying attention? Of course not.

If you live in California even though you have given your name, SSN, address, and copy of your drivers license before buying and waited the mandatory waiting period for a background check the State will still come to your door and confiscate your "legal" guns.

The article you refer to is concerned with assault type weapons, not handguns, hunting weapons or ammunition. So your argument is what?? That the state made an error and then corrected it????

Take it up with the judge. The state was wrong, and returned the weapons in question.

 

[Fencer128]

Wow, The U.K. is Utopia. No criminals whatsoever? That's hard to imagine.

Not to pick on any one particular race but currently locally here we have a wave of nearly every night a band of one race has been conducting home invasion burgularlies and raping women if any are in the home at the time. This has been going on for months and the police are having no chance at stemming this because even after they announced they arrested a half a dozen they felt were responsible for this "wave" the number of invasions has gone up.

This is just their MO and there is just simply too many of them.

My wife just said this morning after I told her if we lived in California or the U.K. we would not be allowed to have a gun for protection against these home invasions.

So apparently such scenarios are not possible in the U.K. huh? Looks like we should move to England?

If you read a couple of my previous posts, you'lll see where I'm coming from, and it's not the fact that the UK is crime free.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[LeadMagnet]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Seems pretty on target (pun intended) to me. California is now apparently the same as the U.K. in that only criminals, Police and the Military have guns.

I wouldn't want to be in California or the U.K. as an ordinary citizen, you have no right to protect yourself.

Hi,

If you had ever lived in the UK for any amount of time (instead of the US for instance) you would not feel the need to carry a gun for self defence in the UK. I can't say I would feel the same in the US though.

Andy

Wow, The U.K. is Utopia. No criminals whatsoever? That's hard to imagine.

Not to pick on any one particular race but currently locally here we have a wave of nearly every night a band of one race has been conducting home invasion burgularlies and raping women if any are in the home at the time. This has been going on for months and the police are having no chance at stemming this because even after they announced they arrested a half a dozen they felt were responsible for this "wave" the number of invasions has gone up.

This is just their MO and there is just simply too many of them.

My wife just said this morning after I told her if we lived in California or the U.K. we would not be allowed to have a gun for protection against these home invasions.

So apparently such scenarios are not possible in the U.K. huh? Looks like we should move to England?

I have spent many moths in London and the outlying area and had never felt as thought I needed a gun. I do live in a suburbs of Boston and travel to cities around the US and the rest of the world on a weekly basis. In almost all citeis I go do do not feel thretened at all, of course my job does not take to the bad neighborhoods and I avoid the ruff section of town where ever I travel.

I have never felt safer in any place than Tokyo though. Including places like Singapore, Toronto, Monte Carlo, San Antonio, Sydney, Stockholm, and San Fransisco.

 

[imported_Aelius]

It is a statistical fact that handguns lower violent crime, especially gun related crime.

Do a search on Florida and a search on gun crime statistics in states like Florida that don't have conceal carry laws and a state that does. Unlike the national average, which went up a couple of dozen percentage points in gun crime, Florida's went the opposite direction.

Why? They lifted the conceal carry law. When they did that it turned the state around as far as gun crime was concerned.

The panic about gun owners running around shooting people or acting imporperly hasn't materialized at all since these conceal carry laws were repealed. The fact is that armed law abiding citizens have been acting properly and maturely with the use of guns. There is simply no room to argue on any of these points.

On top of this ever since the assault rifle ban was put in place, it has has had absolutely zero effect on gun crime anywhere in the US. Don't be surprised if the law doesn't survive after it expires. If there is one thing that Bush might do right is not renew this law before the election, which means it would expire. After that is another story of course and who knows what Kerry might do if he comes to power.

Another good example of this flawed logic that is gun registration. In Canada it was thought, by many politicians, that gun registry nation wide would lower crime rates, make Canada safer and bring criminals to justice by solving crime, all for a cost of a few hundred million at most.

To this date they have spent over a billion dollars and would likely require several billion more, it hasn't even touched the crime rate even though technically everything is registered, it has not made Canada an ounce safer (in fact there is talk that it might have increased crime because so many people had to give up their guns cause they didn't want to or couldn't afford to register them), and get this.. up to date it hasn't solved a single crime in the whole country. Not one.

In fact the whole registry system stands to be scraped at a loss of over a billion dollars to absolutely no gain what so ever.

My tax dollars at work.