Thugs on display at Huntington Beach. A freakin surfing riot!

[fskimospy]

You and the rest of your crew are dishonest and gang up to attack/report members who disagree with you....... Who surprise, surprise, end up with infractions.

Yes, it's not your behavior that's a problem it's the conspiracy against you.

 

[SheHateMe]

So you tell me, why is it acceptable to hold the beige kids accountable ..... and why aren't we holding the trayvon rioters accountable?

There was never a question of whether or not they are accountable for their actions. Of course, how could we let them skirt away on their responsibilities when P&N has an obsession with reporting on beige behavior.

You guys make darn sure we know beige people are tyrants that need to be "fixed".

So keep spouting all that noise about you guys being open-minded and equal in your criticism of all groups. I don't see it. What I do see are muslims being bashed practically everyday as well as other brown people.

Whenever we actually try to have some mention of the fairer skinned, somebody either claims that they don't do anything or that they are the most gentle, least racist creatures on the planet.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

There was ever a question of whether or not they are accountable for their actions. Of course, how could we let them skirt away on their responsibilities when P&N has an obsession with reporting on beige behavior.

You guys make darn sure we know beige people are tyrants that need to be "fixed".

People have an issue with tyrants, with thugs. It's not an issue with <insert skin color> people. It's actions, not their skin, by which most people are judged.


That's what is so frustrating to me.... A lot of you act like we are still in the 50's dealing with rampant outright racism. You act like the vast majority of light-ish people are racist, and god forbid if a light skinned person says even one negative word about a dark skinned person.......... Which is completely ridiculous to me. It's actually racist, and divisive, to "not" say something because of someone's skin.


Take me, for example. I have been portrayed in this thread as an outright racist. Of course there's no way to "prove" one way or the other online, but I am absolutely as far from racist as one can get. Yet, the fact that I open-mindedly "call out" every thug I see makes it easy for the bigots to start shrieking and paint me as racist.


As an aside, something that you don't seem to understand, is that there will ALWAYS be a 'fringe element' of racists... Both white racists and black racists. Just like you'll have religious nutjobs, gun nutjobs, car nutjobs, and on and on...

But at this point, in my opinion, most societal outright racism is gone.

From schools to companies to the government, people are generally treated as equal. No one I know accepts racism, except for a couple super old folk.. And btw, the most racist person I know is black.


But come in to P&N and you'd think we're still lynching darkish people for looking at white women.. Ironically it seems to be the white-ish people that are getting lynched nowadays.

 

[Geosurface]

it has to do with scared of actually acknowledging the problems in our society (with ALL colors, from pure ivory white to black as night) rather than simply shrieking racism over and over and over.

Yet if they were brothers of a darker color you'd have the crew in here making all sorts of ridiculous excuses and calling anyone who denounces them racist.

Yep.

 

[berzerker60]

If you seriously don't get why people call your posts racist, and you honestly don't wish to be or consider yourself to be racist, then you need to seriously consider - and I mean seriously consider, not just figure out a way to explain away - why you're perceived otherwise.

Outright, Klan style racism is mostly (but NOT entirely) gone. But that's not the only kind of extremely damaging racism. People are theoretically, but not actually treated equally in America today, and however much you'd like to pretend otherwise and rationalize away every statistics, study, and experience that proves otherwise, racism is still alive and well in America today. Not in a 50s way, in a 2010s way, which is still a seriously damaging and important way.

We get that you don't want to lynch darkie. But racism is not a binary. It's possible to be sort of racist, and/or racist on certain issues, and/or unintentionally racist. It's even more possible to be unaware of the advantages (dare I say, privilege?) that you get by default by virtue of being white, that are just everyday, unnoticed things to you because all the white people around you get them too, but that aren't afforded to minorities and actually do matter. When that's the case, as it is for many many people, you might genuinely want to see "equality" and "no one getting any advantages" - which are laudable goals in theory - without realizing how far the deck is already stacked against other people in ways that you maybe don't notice, since they're not stacked against you or your family that way. This leads to outcomes punishing those already getting the shitty end of the stick, which can be (mis)taken for racism and is racist policy even if not intended that way. It also comes off like a 17th century nobleman fretting that the peasants want bread, but don't they understand that you worked hours to get the inheritance settled in your favor, and if everyone got their own land to work you won't be able to maintain your lifestyle of summers in Prague and winters in Paris!

Also, fuck you for the "white people getting lynched" line. Point to one fucking white person lynched. Lynching is a serious fucking deal in US (recent) history and not a punchline to equate to maybe not getting a small boost in college admissions. That kind of insensitivity to history doesn't help your perception.

Lynching:

And as a bonus, you could buy parts of the corpse and send them to your friends who couldn't make it as a memento! What fun!

 

[werepossum]

Also to be clear, Hispanic is a relatively recently invented race that used to be included under "white," which itself was only created a few centuries ago and has changed meaning a lot of times since in significant ways. Irish used to be considered a different race more akin to American Indians, for example. There's no such thing as "true" white. Including Hispanic/Latino in "white" isn't a new thing, it's an old thing.

I'm not sure everyone in the thread has actually read the original link and realized it was mostly tongue-in-cheek joking, not a serious thing. Of course no one's defending these guys, that's not the point. The point was how easy it is to smear an entire race with the actions of a disgraceful tiny minority part of that race, some out of context statistics, and some "just asking questions" "politically incorrect" rhetoric.

All races are artificial constructs, so making such a statement about Hispanics (a group literally defined as a race by a location and a pair of languages) doesn't rally mean much. Human beings are quite variable, so the only ways to define race are to make artificial and arbitrary tests or to define artificial and arbitrary ranges. This can be quite useful in describing fish, but not so much with humans who can travel across the world in a day and who interbreed between populations rather enthusiastically.

Just came back from lunch. I had a Roast Beef Sandwich. Can't believe the guy asked me if I wanted White Bread.

The nerve of that guy.

You're right, I hate White Bread. I really do.

I only eat Ethnic Bread.

When I see White Bread in the store, I just want to punch them all.

I was going to take Wolfe's point and refrain from posting in such threads, but you should win an award for those posts. Were you near me, I would buy your next meal, my dear.

And responding via multiquote also brought up a Berzerker post I had quoted and then decided not to answer - and again, I could not resist . . .

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes, it's not your behavior that's a problem it's the conspiracy against you.

The Truth is Out There!

 

[berzerker60]

All races are artificial constructs, so making such a statement about Hispanics (a group literally defined as a race by a location and a pair of languages) doesn't rally mean much. Human beings are quite variable, so the only ways to define race are to make artificial and arbitrary tests or to define artificial and arbitrary ranges. This can be quite useful in describing fish, but not so much with humans who can travel across the world in a day and who interbreed between populations rather enthusiastically.

And responding via multiquote also brought up a Berzerker post I had quoted and then decided not to answer - and again, I could not resist . . .

Well, I basically agree with everything your wrote, so glad you did respond I guess? If you intended to disagree with something perhaps rephrase? Otherwise, good to hear we're in agreement.

 

[Geosurface]

There is no question that there are a lot of people here who throw around accusations of people being "racists" VERY freely and with little thought or consideration.

When I showed up on these boards last year I was very far from the worldview and opinions I have now, and ended up being called a racist at that time just for having a different opinion (one a jury would eventually share) on the Zimmerman case. Ironically it was being called a racist when I fancied myself as anything but (Obama voter, die hard progressive, white-guilt filling me up to the brim...) which was a huge trigger for sending me down a perilous road of inquiry.

No comment on whether calling me one now is justified.

But yea, I would suggest to some of the people who very, very regularly find themselves calling other posters "racists" that they should keep their powder dry and use a little bit higher standard before they drop that conversational A-Bomb. Some people seem to apply a very low standard on it.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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So keep spouting all that noise about you guys being open-minded and equal in your criticism of all groups. I don't see it. What I do see are muslims being bashed practically everyday as well as other brown people.

Whenever we actually try to have some mention of the fairer skinned, somebody either claims that they don't do anything or that they are the most gentle, least racist creatures on the planet.

I don't know what you mean by "you guys"? I don't like at this as us versus them..

Muslims? Right after 9/11 I saw some racism, but not in the last 5 years or so. Stupid people are stupid, of all skin colors. No different than the racism after zimmerman got acquitted but of course that's somehow for the 'better good', right?

I seriously have no idea what you mean about fairer skinned being gentle OR less racist. Personally I think they're neither, that nowadays the racism is pretty much equal across the board.

 

[SheHateMe]

I seriously have no idea what you mean about fairer skinned being gentle OR less racist. Personally I think they're neither, that nowadays the racism is pretty much equal across the board.

I am talking specifically about comments that have been made on this forum about how Whites are the least racist and most caring individuals on this earth