Thugs on display at Huntington Beach. A freakin surfing riot!

[SpatiallyAware]

In all fairness there are a number of posters on here who are pretty openly racist. (SA, Geosurface, spidey, etc) I can see how people would get tired of it and try to push back the other way.

Love how you point out the "perceived" racists on one side, yet fail to mention classy, airdata, emp, SHM, and the 5-6 other outright racists that happen to be on the "other" side.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

There's not racism everywhere, there's loads and loads of racism on this subforum. There's a difference.

Any time we have an open, logical discussion about race this is what you and your ilk shriek about... That the forum is racist.

Basically, you don't want an open discussion on the topic. You want zimmerman any anyone who in any way supports him hung. Yet you try to point out racism everywhere you look... Hypocrit.

 

[fskimospy]

Love how you point out the "perceived" racists on one side, yet fail to mention classy, airdata, emp, SHM, and the 5-6 other outright racists that happen to be on the "other" side.

I didn't use the word 'perceived', and I find that there's really very little perception necessary. I've read quite a large number of your posts and you are quite openly racist. Additionally, not only does pointing out others' racism not excuse your own, but I don't see anywhere close to the obsession with race or the vitriol from them that I see from you.

 

[HomerJS]

Well this all goes back to the classic suite of arguments which consists of:

• Cops pull black people over too much
• Blacks are convicted of the same crime more often and given harsher penalties
• Too many blacks are in prison
• People unfairly keep an eye on blacks in stores and view blacks suspiciously when it isn't warranted
• Black criminality is viewed as collective to all blacks in a way white criminality isn't viewed as indicating something about all whites

And it seems obvious you buy into this meme fully. I'm here to tell you that I think it is largely a mythology. Sort of... it's complicated. Allow me to explain.

It seems most people think about these issues at a depth of one layer, when in order to understand what's going on you need to think about them down at a depth of two or three layers.

If you just glance at a statistic saying blacks are pulled over by cops far more often, or stopped for "stop and frisk" far more often, or convicted of marijuana possession and given harsher sentences... etc, then yes you can come away with the reaction of "omg systemic racism!"

Let me take this moment to say I don't completely deny that there is systemic racism, I just don't think it's anywhere NEAR as bad or as significant of a factor as people make it out to be.

You have to look closer and think about it a little bit more.

If cops are pulling over people who are driving certain types of cars which are popular among hoodlums, particularly when it's accompanied by other factors like blasting bass music, possible erratic driving, someone slunk down in the driver's seat mean-mugging... possible weed smoke visible by the officer inside the vehicle, people within dressed a certain way associated with gang members, slow rolling past things in a way that looks like they might be scoping for an opportunity of some sort, etc etc...

Well, if those are things which are tripping a police officer's suspicion reaction, and prompting them to pull the person over, what happens if the cars which are fitting that description are driven by black men 90% of the time and Hispanics 9% of the time and whites 1% of the time? It's not that they aren't going to find those signifiers suspicious if it's white guys in the car... they will, and they'd pull him over too. It's not the police's fault that those sort of people cluster in a certain demographic, and are fairly rare in another one.

Same with stop and frisk, if the cops are primarily targeting guys who are wearing big coats, sagging their pants, fiddling with their waistband, and furtively looking around like they're trying to make sure nobody's watching them... or appear to be high on something, how is it the police's fault if there are way more people fitting that description in one demographic than another?

Now you could say that this is the police targeting behaviors, styles of dress, music, etc which are part of black culture. I would disagree and say that's deeply insulting to blacks, because there are plenty of black people who don't behave in any way which could possibly be construed as criminal or suspicious. Best friend I had when I was in the Navy was a young black man, about 21 when we met, who wore corduroy pants... tweed jackets, sweaters, glasses. Super well spoken, super amiable.

Nobody would follow him around a store in a million years, or pull him over in his Saab convertible. Is there some racist prick cop one in 10,000 who would pull him over just because he's black? Yea, and those cops are pieces of shit. The other 9,999 cops who are pulling over suspicious hoodlum looking people are doing their job. And again, it isn't their fault which demographic is supplying the bulk of those types.

It's a shame that there aren't more people like my Navy friend within the black community, but they are out there. He's far from the only person like that I've known. And you don't have to be as extreme down the path of Cosbyhood as he was to avoid undue suspicion. Usually just dressing like a normal, average guy does the trick.

This is getting to be too long of a post so I'll just say that the other stuff about conviction rates, harshness of penalty, and such I believe are all much more attributable to the actual "facts on the ground" as they say, than people like you are prepared to admit. Typically the drug crimes which are represented as being identical are not, in reality, identical. Typically the people getting the harsher sentences are people who had larger quantities, or a track record of previous offenses, or other indications that they were selling not just possessing, etc.

Conviction rates correspond well with the actual crimes being committed. This is also largely true with the meme of "blacks are given harsher sentences and given the death penalty more often, especially when their victim is white" again this is all tied in with the actual details of the specific crimes. Typically a black person killing another black person (not always!) is some situation where both of them had their hands dirty in some way, a gang killing, something like that. Whereas if the victim is white, it's more often an innocent person and a stranger, who wasn't wrapped up in any shadiness at the time of their death (again, not always!) - so typically the harsher sentences, including death penalty, are tied to real, actual, aggravating circumstances of the specific crimes. This is where detached ivory tower social justice liberal warriors fall on their face... they are just taking a GLANCE at statistics and not addressing the specifics.

The reason people tend to paint the black community as a whole with a broad brush (something I myself have unfortunately been guilty of at times) is that doing so is much more in line with the crime statistics than it would be to do the same to whites.

It's like Painlessrisen (black YouTuber who critiques black culture a lot) said the other day, (please take the time to watch that 3 minute video it's very relevant to this discussion) - "if there was a movie theater or school shooting, or a Tim McVeigh happening every day, then you might have a point. However, there are young black men blowing each other away every day in America."

You're promoting a false equivalency. It's not the same for someone to look at a population of 30 million which is accounting for an enormously outsized contribution to all manner of crimes and start to apply a broad brush, as it would be to look at a far, far larger population which is under-contributing to crimes, and do the same thing. It may still be unfair to do it, but it isn't anywhere near as crazy/racist as you'd like to imply it is. It's a reaction to and a reflection of reality.

Appreciate the thoughtful response. Much of what you say while I don't agree with a lot it is at least an ingredient for discussion.

I guess my main gripe is the overgeneralization of blacks as a whole as guilty of something even if the facts aren't there (Dunn case is example). I never hear white colar crime labeled as a white cultural problem even though one person can ruin the lives of thousands.

The entire point of this thread even though satire is an accurate representation of many people here to stories involving black people.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I didn't use the word 'perceived', and I find that there's really very little perception necessary. I've read quite a large number of your posts and you are quite openly racist. Additionally, not only does pointing out others' racism not excuse your own, but I don't see anywhere close to the obsession with race or the vitriol from them that I see from you.

If you truly feel that way, I very much suggest that you link to posts in which I am racist and make a post in personal forum issues.

I have made my stance very clear, and have openly and loudly supported good people of ALL color, and openly and loudly call out thugs of ALL color.

But, of course, you ignore anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[fskimospy]

If you truly feel that way, I very much suggest that you link to posts in which I am racist and make a post in personal forum issues.

I have made my stance very clear, and have openly and loudly supported good people of ALL color, and openly and loudly call out thugs of ALL color.

But, of course, you ignore anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

I have no desire to go back and forth with you on this, so I will be declining your suggestion. I consider you to be an obvious racist and the delight you took from the Zimmerman thread was absolutely disgusting.

You're a vile individual and you aren't worth my time.

 

[Geosurface]

Appreciate the thoughtful response. Much of what you say while I don't agree with a lot it is at least an ingredient for discussion.

I guess my main gripe is the overgeneralization of blacks as a whole as guilty of something even if the facts aren't there (Dunn case is example). I never hear white colar crime labeled as a white cultural problem even though one person can ruin the lives of thousands.

The entire point of this thread even though satire is an accurate representation of many people here to stories involving black people.

Thanks for the civil reply - I agree that the stereotyping is unfortunate.

 

[SheHateMe]

Just came back from lunch. I had a Roast Beef Sandwich. Can't believe the guy asked me if I wanted White Bread.

The nerve of that guy.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Just came back from lunch. I had a Roast Beef Sandwich. Can't believe the guy asked me if I wanted White Bread.

The nerve of that guy.

You're being sarcastic but I bet it did bother you a little.

What I want to know is why bleached bread is called "white" bread. Seems pretty rachist IMHO. Or can we call wheat bread "black bread"?

 

[SheHateMe]

You're being sarcastic but I bet it did bother you a little.

You're right, I hate White Bread. I really do.

I only eat Ethnic Bread.

When I see White Bread in the store, I just want to punch them all.

 

[Jaskalas]

You're right, I hate White Bread. I really do.

I only eat Ethnic Bread.

When I see White Bread in the store, I just want to punch them all.

We should have a bread summit, and enjoy some Italian as a compromise.

 

[berzerker60]

Black bread already exists. White loaf bread is terrible. Wheat dominance forever.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Appreciate the thoughtful response. Much of what you say while I don't agree with a lot it is at least an ingredient for discussion.

I guess my main gripe is the overgeneralization of blacks as a whole as guilty of something even if the facts aren't there (Dunn case is example). I never hear white colar crime labeled as a white cultural problem even though one person can ruin the lives of thousands.

The entire point of this thread even though satire is an accurate representation of many people here to stories involving black people.

Let me sum up your reply to his thoughtful post:
-tl;dr
-I have no arguments, but I am acting as if I do
-Offer no retort what-so-ever
-Continue on as if you do have a valid point through nonchalant ranting.

 

[SheHateMe]

Let me sum up your reply to his thoughtful post:
-tl;dr
-I have no arguments, but I am acting as if I do
-Offer no retort what-so-ever
-Continue on as if you do have a valid point through nonchalant ranting.

You just committed all three of those offenses, bro

 

[Geosurface]

Appreciate the thoughtful response. Much of what you say while I don't agree with a lot it is at least an ingredient for discussion.

I guess my main gripe is the overgeneralization of blacks as a whole as guilty of something even if the facts aren't there (Dunn case is example). I never hear white colar crime labeled as a white cultural problem even though one person can ruin the lives of thousands.

The entire point of this thread even though satire is an accurate representation of many people here to stories involving black people.

Btw, I forgot to ask, did you watch the video I linked? And if so, any thoughts on it? That guy has a lot of really great videos re: Zimmerman case, and the sort of issues we're discussing here in general.

 

[Pens1566]

Love how you point out the "perceived" racists on one side, yet fail to mention classy, airdata, emp, SHM, and the 5-6 other outright racists that happen to be on the "other" side.

I don't recall any of the posters you listed being vacationed for racist posts. The ones in the post you quoted however ...

 

[Atreus21]

Just came back from lunch. I had a Roast Beef Sandwich. Can't believe the guy asked me if I wanted White Bread.

The nerve of that guy.

What an asshole.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I don't recall any of the posters you listed being vacationed for racist posts. The ones in the post you quoted however ...

You and the rest of your crew are dishonest and gang up to attack/report members who disagree with you....... Who surprise, surprise, end up with infractions.

 

[SheHateMe]

You and the rest of your crew are dishonest and gang up to attack/report members who disagree with you....... Who surprise, surprise, end up with infractions.

Excuses. So, you're saying yall didn't get vacationed for Racism perse....but that the others ganged up on you and made the mods give you infractions.


har har har

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Excuses. So, you're saying yall didn't get vacationed for Racism perse....but that the others ganged up on you and made the mods give you infractions.


har har har

I am saying that some of us are willing to 'hash it out' and debate, even if it's a difficult discussion.... Others prefer to report posts and run away with tails between their legs.

I'm not saying anything in regards to the mods or their decisions, which I support. It's the tactics of some of our members that I have an issue with.

 

[Pens1566]

You and the rest of your crew are dishonest and gang up to attack/report members who disagree with you....... Who surprise, surprise, end up with infractions.

How? I have one(1) pm this year from inbox/outbox combined. And that pm was in reference to something no one here would ever allow you to do based on your posting history.

Or maybe you're just a liar that thinks "all thugs want to make beige or lighter people bleed".

 

[SpatiallyAware]

How? I have one(1) pm this year from inbox/outbox combined. And that pm was in reference to something no one here would ever allow you to do based on your posting history.

Or maybe you're just a liar that thinks "all thugs want to make beige or lighter people bleed".

 

[SheHateMe]

I am saying that some of us are willing to 'hash it out' and debate, even if it's a difficult discussion.... Others prefer to report posts and run away with tails between their legs.

I'm not saying anything in regards to the mods or their decisions, which I support. It's the tactics of some of our members that I have an issue with.

With some of the stuff your team types, I don't think anyone needs to bother to report. The mods just spring into action.

And if you're REALLY going to pretend like you're a victim of people who are scared to debate you, you need to drop the ego and grow the heck up.

I am sure many of us have been infracted for some evil things that we have said before. I'm not going to sit here and blame that on people who refused to debate my opinion rather than report me.

 

[Pens1566]

As others have pointed out, that gif is your only response when you really can't respond.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

With some of the stuff your team types, I don't think anyone needs to bother to report. The mods just spring into action.

And if you're REALLY going to pretend like you're a victim of people who are scared to debate you, you need to drop the ego and grow the heck up.

I am sure many of us have been infracted for some evil things that we have said before. I'm not going to sit here and blame that on people who refused to debate my opinion rather than report me.

It has nothing to do with being scared of me, it has to do with scared of actually acknowledging the problems in our society (with ALL colors, from pure ivory white to black as night) rather than simply shrieking racism over and over and over.

Even in this thread, about a bunch of psycho white kids, we all called them thugs and made it clear that the behaviour is not acceptable. Not one person is 'defending' these thugs.


Yet if they were brothers of a darker color you'd have the crew in here making all sorts of ridiculous excuses and calling anyone who denounces them racist.




So you tell me, why is it acceptable to hold the beige kids accountable ..... and why aren't we holding the trayvon rioters accountable?